Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

 

[Pak-Warrior]

How do you think Yemen started to produce missiles and drones? Do you think they did that on their own?

The Houthis of Yemen were a group of rebels fighting with AK47s against the Saudi-backed Yemeni government. Iran armed them and helped them capture Sana'a and form a government. For years, Iran was violating UNSC resolutions to arm the Houthis of Yemen. In other words, if they are not willing to do something for us when we need it, they're a bad investment.

where do you think they got liquid and solid fuel medium range ballistic missiles, anti-ship ballistic missiles, air defence missiles, etc, from?

Iran armed houthis, so they can fight against GCC (Iran's other enemies). Houthis already served that purpose for years. Also Iran didn't come itself to their aid. Jumping into war is a whole different ball game then assisting with weapons. In return, Iran is expecting them to put their life on line and jump directly into its war which has nothing to do with houthis. Anyways, they already fired missiles at Israel and most likely are keeping its stock for later use.

Houthis were the only ones who stood for Gaza. They were viciously attacking shipping lines during genocide putting pressure that calm in red sea is via calm in Gaza. No other country including Iran did anything. Every country is selfish but Houthis are most selfless people. They can put their lives and their children lives in line for the cause they seem as just. Its their choice and its their timing whenever they'd do the next move.

 

[Immortals]

 

[SolarWarden]

I thought the information came from Western sources using satellite imagery?

This sort of thing is not something you can make up and accept people to buy it. There's plenty of evidence that many Iranian vessels have passed through the US blockade. There is zero doubt about that. Maybe not 26, but definitely more than 10.

Information came from DoW.

 

[ShapurII]

Information came from DoW.

I was talking about the claim that 26 vessels have passed through the blockade. It wasn't a claim by Iran, but by Western sources based on satellite imagery.

 

[SaadH]

It will cost US billions a week to keep the blockade…. Plus tonnes of resources will be wasted….. and US has more to lose if Iran is self reliant on food (majorly)

Costs are irrelevant to US empire, they'll just print more dollars.

 

[ShapurII]

Iran armed houthis, so they can fight against GCC (Iran's other enemies). Houthis already served that purpose for years. Also Iran didn't come itself to their aid. Jumping into war is a whole different ball game then assisting with weapons. In return, Iran is expecting them to put their life on line and jump directly into its war which has nothing to do with houthis. Anyways, they already fired missiles at Israel and most likely are keeping its stock for later use.

I'm not following your logic here. You say Iran armed Houthis to fight back, but you right after that say Iran didn't come to their aid. Last time I checked, funding a war and providing one of the sides with lethal weapons is a form of aid.

They jumped into war over Palestine that has done nothing for them. If Iran falls, the Houthis of Yemen won't last a year without Iran. They owe their entire existence to Iran.

Houthis were the only ones who stood for Gaza. They were viciously attacking shipping lines during genocide putting pressure that calm in red sea is via calm in Gaza. No other country including Iran did anything. Every country is selfish but Houthis are most selfless people. They can put their lives and their children lives in line for the cause they seem as just. Its their choice and its their timing whenever they'd do the next move.

And that makes them a bad investment. If they are willing to risk their lives for Palestine but not for Iran, then they're a useless investment. Next time that Israel, the US or Arabs want to defeat them, they can ask Palestinians to arm them.

On a side note, Iran has sacrificed the entire Iranian economy over the issue of Palestine, and we are now fighting with Israel and the US over the same issue. So, use your brain before you say Iran has done nothing for Palestine. The mere existence of groups like Hezbollah and Houthis is the result of our support for Palestine.

 

[Shags101]

Fox news....really?

That is the real fake news.

Yeah they have become a total mouthpiece for Trump you know when he attempted that little insurrection several years back I thought maybe they would tone it down and try to go back to being a real news source nope it looks like they triple down are far worse than the days of oreily and Tucker damn Tucker is considered a moderate in comparison

 

[Hazard]

Costs are irrelevant to US empire, they'll just print more dollars.

This is spot on. I don't think many people realise the hold USA has over the world. As their currency is world's reserve currency, they simply just print more dollars and let the rest of the world pay for it (through inflation). I remember during Covid, they sent out cheques to every citizen in US of something like $1000 dollars each. Every single citizen. Guess what it did? Inflated everything traded in dollars, the peasants around the world paid for it. Its insane.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

And that makes them a bad investment. If they are willing to risk their lives for Palestine but not for Iran, then they're a useless investment. Next time that Israel, the US or Arabs want to defeat them, they can ask Palestinians to arm them.

On a side note, Iran has sacrificed the entire Iranian economy over the issue of Palestine, and we are now fighting with Israel and the US over the same issue. So, use your brain before you say Iran has done nothing for Palestine. The mere existence of groups like Hezbollah and Houthis is the result of our support for Palestine.

Proxy wars are meant to keep your enemies busy / destabilize. Houthis fighting against GCC. Hezbullah against Israel. These were Iran's strategic objectives to keep using other people for your own long term goals & influence over the region.

So Iran's enemies keep themselves busy against proxies and not hit Iran's mainland. That's what was happening until recently / last year.

If IRan really wanted to fight for Palestine then it could have attacked Israel directly. Don't fund or arm proxies for your strategic goals but fight directly if you are selfless. Iran choose otherwise.

 

[MH.Yang]

Trump makes it sound like we're shipping some kind of military hardware, but it just feels weird to me that we would still send it through a blockaded strait.

Trump makes it sound like we're shipping some kind of military hardware, but it just feels weird to me that we would still send it through a blockaded strait.

Considering the sanctions imposed by the United Nations, if China wants to transport weapons, it will definitely choose air transportation or the China Iran railway instead of the blocked strait. China only uses shipping to deliver civilian materials or oil. Because Trump intercepted ships transporting civilian supplies, China has a legitimate reason to intervene.

 

[ShapurII]

Proxy wars are meant to keep your enemies busy / destabilize. Houthis fighting against GCC. Hezbullah against Israel. These were Iran's strategic objectives to keep using other people for your own long term goals & influence over the region.

So Iran's enemies keep themselves busy against proxies and not hit Iran's mainland. That's what was happening until recently / last year.

If IRan really wanted to fight for Palestine then it could have attacked Israel directly. Don't fund or arm proxies for your strategic goals but fight directly if you are selfless. Iran choose otherwise.

That's a ridiculous thing to say. Iran owes Palestine nothing. Zero, zilch, null, sefr. If anything, Palestine owes Iran a lot, not the other way around.

Iran has no reason to attack a nuclear power to get nuked back because again, as I said, we owe Palestinians nothing. Not now, not 10 years ago, not 47 years ago. Our economy is under sanctions because of our anti-Israel stance. Our relations with Europe is sour because of our anti-Israel stance. We cannot restore our ties with the US because of our anti-Israel stance. The moment Iran becomes a pro-Israel state, 90% of our problems will stop.

Houthis on the other hand owe their existence to us. Not only we helped them form a government, but we are keeping them in power. Apples and oranges.

 

[PakFactor]

Proxy wars are meant to keep your enemies busy / destabilize. Houthis fighting against GCC. Hezbullah against Israel. These were Iran's strategic objectives to keep using other people for your own long term goals & influence over the region.

So Iran's enemies keep themselves busy against proxies and not hit Iran's mainland. That's what was happening until recently / last year.

If IRan really wanted to fight for Palestine then it could have attacked Israel directly. Don't fund or arm proxies for your strategic goals but fight directly if you are selfless. Iran choose otherwise.

Dominant nations typically avoid direct conflict unless compelled by necessity, instead relying on smaller states and non-state actors. For instance, Pakistan has engaged in such actions in Afghanistan and Kashmir; therefore, it is disingenuous to suggest that Iran should not have taken similar measures. The United States has carried out similar activities.

 

[SaadH]

This is spot on. I don't think many people realise the hold USA has over the world. As their currency is world's reserve currency, they simply just print more dollars and let the rest of the world pay for it (through inflation). I remember during Covid, they sent out cheques to every citizen in US of something like $1000 dollars each. Every single citizen. Guess what it did? Inflated everything traded in dollars, the peasants around the world paid for it. Its insane.

The inflation wasn't cause by $2000 checks to citizens, the real inflation was caused by $6 trn that the feds injected into the markets and into the pockets of zionist billionaires on the wallstreet when the markets were cratering at the beginning of Covid, and of course corporations shafting the consumers through record profits.

 

[PakFactor]

The inflation wasn't cause by $2000 checks to citizens, the real inflation was caused by $6 trn that the feds injected into the markets and into the pockets of zionist billionaires on the wallstreet when the markets were cratering at the beginning of Covid, and of course corporations shafting the consumers through record profits.

This is why the Chinese would rather sit on the sidelines and allow the U.S. to carry on, unless it gets involved in a proxy conflict and supplies a belligerent, like Russia, in its war with Ukraine. It would rather sacrifice Russia in Europe, and it's a risk it's willing to take. While the West burns away its currency.