Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Meengla said:
The next US Administration, if a strong Democratic majority, will be much different on the Middle East, AIPAC or not.
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And yet between George W Bush vs Obama, it was Obama that put the most sanctions and UN Security Council resolutions on Iran, not Republicans. It was Obama that was the first admin to sanction Iranian oil.
 
BigMela2onin said:
It will not, the Democratic party is controlled opposition. The US is a one-party dictatorship with a rotating chairman position.
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Immortals said:
And yet between George W Bush vs Obama, it was Obama that put the most sanctions and UN Security Council resolutions on Iran, not Republicans. It was Obama that was the first admin to sanction Iranian oil.
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Remember that: It was President Obama who did the JCPOA against bitter opposition from the Saudis and the Israelis. Watch the press from those years. It took about 2.5 years of bitter negotiations and opposition to reach the JCPOA.
The American interests in the Middle East don't totally align with Netanyahu's vision.
BTW, sorry to say this: Posts like yours betray extremely lazy, uninformed understanding of the American political system. During the Gaza war, 19 out of about 50 Democratic Senators voted to block arms sales to Israel. Just a few days ago, 38 of those Senators voted to block the arm sales.
America is an evolving, democratic system despite all its flaws. Work with what you can work with. At least see how the Jewish community works in a concerted way and it is not all about the money--they are very smart in electoral politics.
 
www.bbc.co.uk

US Secretary of State Marco Rubio says offensive stage of Iran war is 'over'

The UK maritime authority meanwhile reports a cargo vessel being struck "by an unknown projectile" in the Strait of Hormuz.
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The Americans are now claiming that two USN ships are "operating" in the Gulf after "transiting" through the strait.

Does this tally with earlier Iranian reports targeting USN ships, with the US now implicating they they missed the ships and they "made it into the Gulf" ?
 
MH.Yang said:
Jews have never been able to exert control over China.

Historically, Jews have attempted to infiltrate China on three occasions, but in each case, every single Jew was collectively executed by the Chinese government of the time, without exception.

Traditional Chinese culture is fundamentally incompatible with Jewish culture. For instance, actions such as hoarding and speculating on civilian goods like grain, engaging in usury, and manipulating public opinion would likely have resulted in the collective execution of an entire family or even an entire ethnic group in ancient China. Even in modern China, such behavior would immediately provoke hostility and suspicion from society as a whole—as evidenced by the crackdown on Jack Ma and Ant Financial.

Also, China is not a pluralistic society. How could Jews control a population where Han Chinese make up over 90%?
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Can you tell us about those three occasions ? ...it maybe helpful to formulate our future policies.
 
Flotilla said:
Untrue.
US strongly opposed to EU creation of an Army.
It was Colin Powell in 2003 the one that specifically harassed main members of the EU to avoid so.

And It was US the one that wanted a divided and weakened EU.

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Powell leads US attack on Gang of Four defence plan for Europe

PLANS to develop a European defence policy outside NATO are not a “putsch” against the Alliance or the US, the leaders of France, Germany, Belgium and Luxembourg insisted after their controversial …
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Go back to 1949 and read the words of Eisenhower. He was the first Supreme Commander of NATO.

Them tell me where he was wrong.
 
Immortals said:
And yet between George W Bush vs Obama, it was Obama that put the most sanctions and UN Security Council resolutions on Iran, not Republicans. It was Obama that was the first admin to sanction Iranian oil.
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They had to do that in order to get the nuclear deal with Iran. The Jewish/evangelical/war lobbies in Washington are all-powerful. I think Mr Obama deserves some credit with his fresh Iran/Cuba approaches, which were directly against what Washington establishment,Congress and lobbies wanted.
 
MH.Yang said:
Jews have never been able to exert control over China.

Historically, Jews have attempted to infiltrate China on three occasions, but in each case, every single Jew was collectively executed by the Chinese government of the time, without exception.

Traditional Chinese culture is fundamentally incompatible with Jewish culture. For instance, actions such as hoarding and speculating on civilian goods like grain, engaging in usury, and manipulating public opinion would likely have resulted in the collective execution of an entire family or even an entire ethnic group in ancient China. Even in modern China, such behavior would immediately provoke hostility and suspicion from society as a whole—as evidenced by the crackdown on Jack Ma and Ant Financial.

Also, China is not a pluralistic society. How could Jews control a population where Han Chinese make up over 90%?
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Hmm... Ever heard of the Sassoons? The beneficiaries of opium wars...?
The Kadoories?
There's more... but these made fortunes... as dynasties...
 
mythbuster said:
Can you tell us about those three occasions ? ...it maybe helpful to formulate our future policies.
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First: The Tang Dynasty

During the Tang Dynasty, the Jewish community maintained good relations with the government. However, when Huang Chao launched his rebellion, the Jews betrayed the Tang Dynasty. As a result, Huang Chao refused to accept the Jews into his ranks, believing that if they were capable of betraying the Tang Dynasty, they would betray him as well(Although foreigners may find it strange, it is a traditional Chinese value not to accept traitors who repay kindness with treachery, even if they betrayed your enemy). Consequently, the Jews were subjected to a genocidal massacre by Huang Chao.

Second Instance: Song and Yuan Dynasties

The Jews attempted to share power with the Yuan government by manipulating usury and trade. Consequently, they were viewed as a threat by the Yuan emperor Kublai Khan, and the Jewish community was once again subjected to a genocidal massacre.

Third: During the Hongwu Era of the Ming Dynasty

During the reign of Zhu Yuanzhang, the emperor believed that the Jews had betrayed the Han Chinese Song imperial family during the Mongol invasions. This led the Ming government to issue a cruel decree targeting the Jews: within the territories under Ming rule, Jewish men were to be slaves for life, and Jewish women were to be prostitutes for life.


The essence of this history lies in the fact that the Han Chinese have held an absolute dominant position in China, and any attempt to challenge their authority is extremely dangerous. Moreover, even if another ethnic group were to successfully rule over the Han Chinese, the Han would be capable of reclaiming power and exacting brutal revenge. For example, the Mongols once ruled the Han Chinese for 97 years (from 1271 to 1368 AD), and at their peak, the Mongol population reached 40 million. However, when the Mongol Empire fell, only 1.5 million Mongols managed to flee back to the steppes amid the brutal reprisals of the Ming Dynasty.


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Meengla said:
BTW, sorry to say this: Posts like yours betray extremely lazy, uninformed understanding of the American political system. During the Gaza war, 19 out of about 50 Democratic Senators voted to block arms sales to Israel. Just a few days ago, 38 of those Senators voted to block the arm sales.
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Platitudinal votes like those give the illusion of opposition and give false hope for change to the population when in reality they affect nothing and nothing ever changes. Talib and Omar can protest on the floor as much as they want but at the end of the day the bombs keep dropping. Guys like Fetterman, who are too brain damaged to pretend, give away the true game of the democrats. You can keep waiting for change that never comes but you'll be making the same mistake Iran keeps making by failing the understand what the US truly is.
 
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