Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

RocketLaw said:
BREAKING: Trump's "Project Freedom" collapsed after Saudi Arabia and Kuwait suspended US military access to their bases, airspace, and overflight rights, per NBC News and Ryan Grim.

The Kingdom blocked the US from flying aircraft out of Prince Sultan Airbase or through Saudi airspace, completely grounding the operation and removing the air defense umbrella protecting ships in transit.

Saudi leadership was "furious" after Trump announced Project Freedom on Truth Social without notifying them. Qatar and Oman were also blindsided, with Trump only contacting them after the operation began. A direct call between Trump and Crown Prince MBS failed to resolve the situation.

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That is a total spin. The Saudis' entire being depends on the Americans. If they do not do as told, democracy will find its way. You would see freedom fighters, the usual bs. The reality is that there is a mutiny within the American armed forces. The goys, especially the grunts, do not want to die for the Epstein clan. In addition, the damage inflicted on the Americans is probably around $200 billion dollars( the totality of the cost of the war). They say $25 Billion now, but you will hear about it a year later.
 
Another lie. This proves that most of the strikes were with stand-off munitions, JDAMS, Tomahawks, and ALBMs.
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SolarWarden said:
Airbases in Saudi land.

Many mainstream and non mainstream media reported the Saudis and the other oil kingdoms wanted this war as much as Israel. They want Orangeman to finish the job so I'm not buying it. Orangeman halted the operation freedom thingy because Pakistan asked Orangeman to halt because Pakistan was working on a deal.

If war breaks out Saudi and other oil kingdoms win because oil price will go up drastically. If Iran attacks oil kingdom oil depots and rigs they still win because oil will be even more expensive.
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Oil won't be getting out to the customer, so the gulfies won't actually win at all. In fact they will lose because they will declare "force majeure" and investors will run away. Saudi are desperate to end this war. Maybe UAE are slightly mad enough to want it to go on and burn the whole region along with themselves.
 
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Good thread.
 
RocketLaw said:
BREAKING: Trump's "Project Freedom" collapsed after Saudi Arabia and Kuwait suspended US military access to their bases, airspace, and overflight rights, per NBC News and Ryan Grim.

The Kingdom blocked the US from flying aircraft out of Prince Sultan Airbase or through Saudi airspace, completely grounding the operation and removing the air defense umbrella protecting ships in transit.

Saudi leadership was "furious" after Trump announced Project Freedom on Truth Social without notifying them. Qatar and Oman were also blindsided, with Trump only contacting them after the operation began. A direct call between Trump and Crown Prince MBS failed to resolve the situation.

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If this is true wow, how a major incompetence government the US has. When many people including me said trump will accelerate US decline, now you know why it was said.
 
Shags101 said:
Well honestly not surprising let’s say if this war has cost UAE around 120 billion and counting what has it cost Saudi Arabia and all of those mega projects that they were building many of which were already downsized are now out the window for the long term 2030 is now 2040 or later they bet on the wrong horse they bought into the Bibi and Trump war would be won in less than a week now Iran has almost won this chess match if the reports are true
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Saudis are known liars. They claimed the Saudi airspace and bases will not be used in an attack on Iran and guess what? Not only the Saudis allowed the Americans to use them, but they asked Trump to finish the job and financed it too.

Of all Arabs in the Middle East, particularly the Persian Gulf states, Saudis are our worst enemy. Excluding the eastern parts of Saudi Arabia like Qatif, we share the least with the Saudis in terms of culture. Bahrain, Kuwait, Iraq, the Emirates, even Qatar share a lot more with us than we do with them.
 
ShapurII said:
Saudis are known liars. They claimed the Saudi airspace and bases will not be used in an attack on Iran and guess what? Not only the Saudis allowed the Americans to use them, but they asked Trump to finish the job and financed it too.

Of all Arabs in the Middle East, particularly the Persian Gulf states, Saudis are our worst enemy. Excluding the eastern parts of Saudi Arabia like Qatif, we share the least with the Saudis in terms of culture. Bahrain, Kuwait, Iraq, the Emirates, even Qatar share a lot more with us than we do with them.
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People posting here and media paid rambos just want to show big rivalry between ksa and irainians.. In reality there is hardly any territorial dispute them or resource occupation or 0 probability of holy mosques appearing in tehran.. public in KSA never planned to occupy tehran and make it ksa province.even shia main sites are in iraq.. both dont want social fabric to be replaced by 100plus genders crises..
Its like forcefully created issues and people following western. Although there may be hate in people internally for religious beliefs but posters here always tell non follow islam in ksa govr or iran govt..
In comparison hindustan pakistan enimity has principles and very strong foundation ..
 
MH.Yang said:
In China's view, Saudi Arabia's diplomatic stance has undergone significant changes in the past decade. Saudi Arabia's diplomatic stance has shifted from being dominated by sectarian conflicts to being dominated by national interests.

Saudi Arabia has been implementing a "dual track strategy" of diplomacy, strengthening its military capabilities on the one hand, and promoting strategic cooperation with multiple countries on the other hand, rather than relying on any single external force, in order to achieve geopolitical autonomy.

At the beginning of this war, Saudi Arabia tried its best to maintain neutrality and decouple from the positions of the United States and Israel.

In the later stage, Saudi Arabia was hit by Iran, and the huge internal pressure forced its position to gradually become tough, but the overall goal is still to avoid falling into a direct war with Iran.

Saudi Arabia's performance in this war has shown that it regards safeguarding sovereignty and ensuring economic transformation (Vision 2030) as its top priority, which is even higher than its consideration of sectarian conflicts and regional allies.

Overall, if you expect Saudi Arabia to support the United States in dealing with Iran, War. You will be disappointed.
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This post sums up well the role of Saudi Arabia in this war!

It is a myth that GCC countries wanted this war. I believe people like Trita Parsi say the same thing. I mean just look at how far the GCC suffered already. They must not have been any under illusions that Americans would prioritize their safety over Israel's safety before this war began. And now we have a potentially a situation where the decades long peace and prosperity of multiple GCC countries is destroyed for long. Why the hell they would want a war? They knew the Iranian missiles and drone capabilities well. Everyone knew that. I mean, everyone!

I believe the stupid Israeli attack on Qatar shifted the sands from beneath some Arab countries and they started to see Israel as a greater threat than Iran was perceived to be hitherto.
 
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