Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

According to the Government of Iran, both the US and Israel have caused 250billion of damage. Given that governments "never" list military losses and costs, all those loses are civilian and infrastructure. So clearly, both the USA and Israel are not holding back, so why should Iran ?

The damage that Iran has sustained is "not minor".

This flaw in Iran's approach is what invites more war to its shores.

Yes thats my point. The damage iran can inflict is minor compared to what isreali/american axis can inflict. If iran destroys one energy facility, the anglo-american zionist axis will destroy a hundred in return.

While the iranians are short on capital, the zionist axis has the american taxpayer to cover every cost.

Iran bet the house on the "proxy war" strategy, its been a near total failure.
 
I think this article belongs in this thread as its linked to the Iran war. I also see it as the one undisputed success for Israel and the West in this war.


NYT : Gulf Countries Arrest Shiite ‘Traitors’ Amid War With Iran​

Dozens of Gulf citizens have been accused of belonging to Iran-linked terrorism cells as the war accelerates a shift toward deeper authoritarianism in the region.

In Kuwait, officials arrested six people who they said were plotting to assassinate the country’s leaders. In the United Arab Emirates, the authorities accused 27 men of belonging to a secretive terrorist organization. And in Bahrain, the government has stripped dozens of their citizenship.
The allegations may be different, and in many cases vague, but all these men have one thing in common: They are Shiites, members of one of two major branches of Islam, according to their governments and human rights activists.
After the U.S.-Israeli war with Iran began on Feb. 28, Iran retaliated by launching thousands of attacks at Gulf states that host U.S. military bases. Some of those countries have since arrested dozens of Shiite citizens, calling them traitors loyal to Shiite-led Iran.
Scholars and rights activists say there has been a surge in nationalist rhetoric in the region that has echoes of past eras when sectarianism was more widespread. It also underlines the ways that the war has accelerated a shift toward deeper authoritarianism in several of the Gulf monarchies.

“It is understandable that at times of war, nationalism increases, but this is a form of rabid nationalism that is exclusionary and subjugates a significant minority of citizens who have complained for years about discrimination,” said Ala’a Shehabi, a Bahraini academic and pro-democracy activist.
Gulf governments typically reveal little information about cases related to terrorism and national security. Such trials are rarely open to journalists, and counterterrorism laws are broad enough to encompass political dissent. That makes it difficult to determine the details of the accusations levied against the men who were arrested, or the veracity of the charges.

Sectarianism has often played a role in the political tensions between Iran and its Arab neighbors. Iran is majority Shiite, with Twelver Shiism as its state religion. Most of the royal families on the Arab side of the Gulf are Sunni, members of the other main branch of Islam, and rule over Sunni-majority populations, with Shiite minorities. Other countries in the Middle East, like Iraq and Lebanon, also have mixed Sunni and Shiite populations.
Since the 1979 Iranian revolution, the Iranian government has often portrayed the Gulf’s royal families as puppets of Western imperialism, and in some cases, has sought to stoke dissent among local Shiites.

While the status of Gulf Shiites differs from country to country, many have long complained of marginalization and discrimination. In Bahrain — where a Sunni royal family rules over a Shiite-majority population — the government violently crushed a pro-democracy uprising more than a decade ago.
Yet in recent years, rhetoric portraying Shiites as a “fifth column” seeking to undermine the state had largely faded away, and several Gulf governments had been working to repair their relationships with Iran, viewing it as a pragmatic way to foster regional stability.
The war has shattered that fledgling diplomacy. As Iran’s attacks struck energy installations, hotels and residential towers, killing at least 19 civilians, Gulf countries have accused some of their own citizens — largely Shiites — of undermining national security.

The authorities in Kuwait announced they had foiled at least three terrorism cells linked to Hezbollah, a Shiite militant group in Lebanon that is backed by Iran, including one that officials said included five Kuwaiti citizens plotting to assassinate the state’s leaders. The Kuwaiti Embassy in Washington did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Announcements of arrests in the Emirates and Bahrain have been more opaque.
In Bahrain, the authorities announced on April 27 that they were withdrawing Bahraini citizenship from 69 individuals, including dependents, whom they accused of “glorifying or sympathizing with the hostile Iranian acts, or engaging in contacts with external parties.” All of them were Shiite Bahrainis of Persian descent, according to the Bahrain Institute for Rights and Democracy, a human rights group in London, which researched their backgrounds and interviewed some of them.
And on Saturday, Bahrain’s interior ministry announced the arrest of 41 people, saying that they had belonged to an organization linked to Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps. The same human rights group said in a statement that the arrests had included 37 Shiite clerics, and called the accusations of links to Iran “a blatant pretext for launching an ugly campaign of persecution against the Shia faith in the country.”
Ms. Shehabi, the Bahraini academic and activist, said that “hate speech is becoming so acute that some Sunnis with Shia names have published statements declaring their sect and loyalty to the ruling families.”
“The harder that Iran hits a Gulf state, the harder it cracks down on its Shia citizens, treating them as a fifth column and accusing them of terrorism,” she said.

In a statement to The New York Times, the Bahraini government said that it “is rightly acting against those few individuals in Bahrain who pose a threat.”

“Under Bahraini law, all persons are subject to equal treatment, without regard to personal characteristics, gender, or religious background,” the government added.
It said that all of those arrested were “suspected of committing violence, inciting violence” or of “threatening national security, including by sharing sensitive information or intelligence to hostile actors.”
Throughout the 1980s and 1990s, Shiite militants were blamed for attacks in several Gulf countries — “real terrorism in a sense, real bomb attacks,” said Toby Matthiesen, a senior lecturer in global Islam at the University of Bristol.
Since the war with Iran began, none of the Gulf countries have reported any domestic terror attacks, Mr. Matthiesen said, although such attacks could not be ruled out. Without more clarity on the substance of the charges, he added, the discourse around the arrests suggested a return to state-sanctioned sectarianism, combined with a hyper-nationalistic message to “rally around the flag.”

That trend has been most visible in the Emirates. In April, the authorities announced that they had arrested 27 men who belonged to a “secret Shiite terrorist organization” affiliated with Iran. A statement published by the official Emirati news agency accused them of engaging in “activities to harm national unity and destabilize the country,” saying that they had tried to recruit Emirati youth, “incite against the U.A.E.’s foreign policy” and “portray the country negatively.”
An official video accompanying the announcement purported to show materials confiscated from the men, including a small drone and wads of cash. The display also included everyday symbols of Shiism, including turbans worn by Shiite clerics, academic books and decorative banners commemorating the martyrdom of the prophet Mohammed’s grandson, Hussein, whom Shiites revere.
The government published the detained men’s photographs alongside their first and middle names — unusual in a country that typically only releases the initials of defendants to protect their privacy. On social media, pro-government commentators swiftly began to name and shame the men, in some cases calling them traitors who deserved to be executed.
“The fact that the state decided to release images of arrested individuals before they have undergone a fair trial suggests a verdict has already been reached to villainize them and their communities,” said Mira Al Hussein, an Emirati sociologist based in Britain.

Ms. Al Hussein lamented “the state of paranoia” that the Emirates has descended into as it has become more politically repressive in recent years.
She said that a Shiite friend back home had told her that the community was “on a knife’s edge” and that “if society rejects us, we don’t know what to do.”
Shiite religious leaders in Pakistan also estimate that as many as thousands of Shiite Pakistanis have been deported from the Emirates since mid-April, as Pakistan’s ties to the Emirates have deteriorated.

The Emirati foreign ministry did not respond to a request for comment.
On April 24, a religious sermon televised across the Emirates warned listeners against people who betray their nation.

“Have they not realized that wise leadership has cared for them, and encompassed them with goodness,” said the preacher, Abdullah Ibrahim Abdul-Jabbar.
He urged worshipers to report anyone they suspect of betrayal — “even if that person is among those closest to him.”
“The homeland is more precious than everything, and love for it does not admit division between two loyalties,” he said.
 
This explains why the Israelis were attacking Iran's Caspian ports.


Long Overlooked, Caspian Sea Provides Strategic Trade Route for Iran​

The landlocked body of water has taken on new significance, with Russia shipping military and commercial goods to bolster Tehran’s ability to withstand the U.S. assault.
 
remember orange literally invited himself. He played the choking China card during his first administration and right of the bat in his second term. And this time he actually started choking Chinese access to energy... though China has largely been successful in electrifying it's economy by renewables,

Even NY Times has been saying that China has largely shielded its economy from the Tariffs and what pain could be inflicted on China would be paid back in kind. So kind of 'M.A.D' in terms of the economies.
But if would see Lindsay Graham's interrogation of Pete Hegseth video (posted yesterday), Lindsay is suggesting that just like India capitulated on buying the Iranian oil in past due to sanctions/Tariffs, China could be treated the same away. Of course Lindsay also targeted Pakistan. Pretty interesting video and just first 10-12 minutes enough to watch.
 
That would be the logical assumption... however, remember orange literally invited himself. He played the choking China card during his first administration and right of the bat in his second term. And this time he actually started choking Chinese access to energy... though China has largely been successful in electrifying it's economy by renewables, something that Pakistan did by happenstance and now both seem somewhat insulted by the shock... China of course did it deliberately while creating the largest reserves globally.

What we know are apparent public leverages... behind closed doors orange will present either his desperation or confidence in harming China as mere hyperbole or actuality. There is the TikTok example which China had publicly dug heels on and later relented and sold to a militant zionist to control its algorithm. He wants China to buy oil in dollars and directly from US... invest in US infrastructure and buy its treasuries. In return agree to make zionists its partners as an acceptable win win scenario... to undermine mideast and demand of Petro-Dollars by proxy.
As a consequence leave a softened mideast to its hyena, zion.
China is not the 9 years ago China when Trump came to power and started the trade war, at that time China was much weaker and sort of panicked. Xi or any sane Chinese is not going to sign Japanese style Plaza accord with US that amounts to surrender. China would have no interest investing in US treasures and infras because US is not a reliable partner anymore and one never knows that if Trump would break the agreements he signed few days ago. China won't buy large quantity of US oil and gas because they are too highly priced and China have more reliable supplier such as Russia. It's probably going to be normalizing of trades between the two to certain extent. China might conditionally agree to buy more soybeans and Boeing airplanes over some period of time since China needs these products, and also maybe cooperation on curtailing drugs trafficking.
 
Iran bet the house on the "proxy war" strategy, its been a near total failure.

It depends on who one asks, either a great success or a great failure. The key test of that will be whether Iran continues with that policy unchanged or not.
 
It depends on who one asks, either a great success or a great failure. The key test of that will be whether Iran continues with that policy unchanged or not.

It was such a failure that even the pagers thousands of hezbo members were holding contained isreali bombs in them. That also means that everything they were discussing and planning is known to mossad. It also means that oct 7th couldnt have ever came as a surprise.

total failure.

Ultimately they made their bed and their sure as hell going to sleep in it
 
This explains why the Israelis were attacking Iran's Caspian ports.


Long Overlooked, Caspian Sea Provides Strategic Trade Route for Iran​

The landlocked body of water has taken on new significance, with Russia shipping military and commercial goods to bolster Tehran’s ability to withstand the U.S. assault.

When it takes the isrealis less then a day or two to assert air dominance over iran, of course they will pick and choose whatever they want to destroy.
 
Ultimately they made their bed and their sure as hell going to sleep in it

The war is still not over, so it would be prudent to wait for the end, before making any such declarations.
 
It was such a failure that even the pagers thousands of hezbo members were holding contained isreali bombs in them. That also means that everything they were discussing and planning is known to mossad. It also means that oct 7th couldnt have ever came as a surprise.

total failure.

Ultimately they made their bed and their sure as hell going to sleep in it
That pager terrorism failed to destroy or deter Hezbollah and they have responded with their own innovation with FPV drones in the south :) The Zios and their partners made their bed and are sleeping in it too :)
 
Man, I am waiting for the midterms, Can November be any farther ? (Chandler Bing's Impression)
 
Even NY Times has been saying that China has largely shielded its economy from the Tariffs and what pain could be inflicted on China would be paid back in kind. So kind of 'M.A.D' in terms of the economies.
But if would see Lindsay Graham's interrogation of Pete Hegseth video (posted yesterday), Lindsay is suggesting that just like India capitulated on buying the Iranian oil in past due to sanctions/Tariffs, China could be treated the same away. Of course Lindsay also targeted Pakistan. Pretty interesting video and just first 10-12 minutes enough to watch.


China is not the 9 years ago China when Trump came to power and started the trade war, at that time China was much weaker and sort of panicked. Xi or any sane Chinese is not going to sign Japanese style Plaza accord with US that amounts to surrender. China would have no interest investing in US treasures and infras because US is not a reliable partner anymore and one never knows that if Trump would break the agreements he signed few days ago. China won't buy large quantity of US oil and gas because they are too highly priced and China have more reliable supplier such as Russia. It's probably going to be normalizing of trades between the two to certain extent. China might conditionally agree to buy more soybeans and Boeing airplanes over some period of time since China needs these products, and also maybe cooperation on curtailing drugs trafficking.

You have to flip the script somewhat to understand the offer... zionist money, deals, opportunity to open US markets for Chinese manufacturers...
Carrots and sticks...
Of course his stick cannot exact much pain while being reciprocated on the US as well... the carrot is enticing...
Share the cake! Rule with me... be a courtier in the empire...

What if the offer is an easy meal? Share in the enterprise?
 
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Even NY Times has been saying that China has largely shielded its economy from the Tariffs and what pain could be inflicted on China would be paid back in kind. So kind of 'M.A.D' in terms of the economies.
But if would see Lindsay Graham's interrogation of Pete Hegseth video (posted yesterday), Lindsay is suggesting that just like India capitulated on buying the Iranian oil in past due to sanctions/Tariffs, China could be treated the same away. Of course Lindsay also targeted Pakistan. Pretty interesting video and just first 10-12 minutes enough to watch.

MAD doctrine can't be applied in terms of the economies among China and USA, because they are different kind of societies and power structures.

USA is individualist, China power is based in Han Chinese ethnicity patriotism.

If USA elite interests are not affected, it doesnt matter what happens.

MAD doctrine in the military terms worked because USA elite lives were affected and under threat.

USA elite lives are not affected by tariffs or economic decline, just common American people.

USA is big enough to keep shrinking and keep same life standards for their ruling elite.
 

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