Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Hassan Al-Somal]

This is why I say no one in the West takes China seriously. They're just after money, nothing else. Pakistanis get excited thinking China will come to their aid. Well they will...as much as they came to the aid of Iranians or any of their 'allies' - lip service basically.

But Pakistan can access Chinese weapon systems, including their latest fighter jets.

China will most definitely veto any anti Pakistan resolution in the UNSC.

China can also invest and trade with Pakistan as well.

So, isn't all that Pakistan needs from China?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

We are a developing country.

According to the documents issued by the highest meeting, China is still in and will long remain in the primary stage of socialism. China's international status as the world's largest developing country has not changed.

We have no intention of competing with the United States for hegemony, and we are not interested in such competition. At the same time, we will not accept Russia's defeat. China and Russia must cooperate to resist U.S. hegemonism and NATO's expansion.

Bro, you can talk this kind of manner to the Chinese members, but most non-Chinese members are expecting China to act as the messiah to counter against the non-stop bullying from the US imposing on the world.

Paradoxically, the continuous development of China has undoubtedly weakened the US hegemony, whether it is intentional or not.

We cannot ignore the objective fact that the US hegemony can no longer sustain against the continuous development of China.

And the world could become more dangerous, and we do need more counter measures to face the worst possible scenario.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[ety]

Bro, you can talk this kind of manner to the Chinese members, but most non-Chinese members are expecting China to act as the messiah to counter against the non-stop bullying from the US imposing on the world.

Really unrealistic to the least.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Really unrealistic to the least.

China will always prioritize its development, and it will also harm the hegemony of the US as the collateral damage.

The US is not a normal country, but a hegemon.

If you develop yourself out of the confinement box that the hegemon has placed on you, the conflict will become inevitable.

China does not seek the same type of hegemony from the US, but to destroy its hegemony to make the world a freer place.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

Bro, you can talk this kind of manner to the Chinese members, but most non-Chinese members are expecting China to act as the messiah to counter against the non-stop bullying from the US imposing on the world.

Paradoxically, the continuous development of China has undoubtedly weakened the US hegemony, whether it is intentional or not.

We cannot ignore the objective fact that the US hegemony can no longer sustain against the continuous development of China.

And the world could become more dangerous, and we do need more counter measures to face the worst possible scenario.

We are not saviors. I think America should gradually die out, rather than be directly slain. This aligns with what we are currently doing.

There was a kind of rhetoric before that a war between the Soviet Union and the United States would destroy the Earth. Would a war between China and the United States not destroy the Earth?

Good days require everyone's effort, not expecting two giants to go to war directly. The United States and the Soviet Union did not take this approach, and China and the United States will not take this approach either.

We welcome other countries to join us. Directly providing food can only fill your stomach for a day; once you learn the technology to grow it yourself, you can eat well regularly. China likes to be a teacher rather than a savior.

 

[Flotilla]

China will always prioritize its development, and it will also harm the hegemony of the US as the collateral damage.

The US is not a normal country, but a hegemon.

If you develop yourself out of the confinement box that the hegemon has placed on you, the conflict will become inevitable.

China does not seek the same type of hegemony from the US, but to destroy its hegemony to make the world a freer place.

Agreed.
But US is doing so inexplicable mistakes that China just need to let Trump to continue sailing towards the rocks.
Attacking Irán was so stupid, and even worse, he did so bad, (even UK turned to the side) that the collapse of the attackers seems to were inevitable.

When you see Friedrich Merz (German Premiere) insulting the exterior politics of US you know something really bad is happening inside White House.

Other indicators are also red. Saudi Arabia seems to have closer relation with Islamic Republic than with the Pentagon.

So, just let them sail against the rocks!.

 

[Hayabusa]

Everything is possible with Russian or Chinese help, without which Iran is a phussy cat like these other muzlim outfits no?

They are unable to accept that Iran is able to think rationally and carry out counter-attacks.

They have planned this for decades. US cannot accept that the days where they can overwhelm a middle level military ( e.g. Iraq) is over.

 

[Professor Jiang]

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[ChineseTiger1986]

We are not saviors. I think America should gradually die out, rather than be directly slain. This aligns with what we are currently doing.

There was a kind of rhetoric before that a war between the Soviet Union and the United States would destroy the Earth. Would a war between China and the United States not destroy the Earth?

Good days require everyone's effort, not expecting two giants to go to war directly. The United States and the Soviet Union did not take this approach, and China and the United States will not take this approach either.

We welcome other countries to join us. Directly providing food can only fill your stomach for a day; once you learn the technology to grow it yourself, you can eat well regularly. China likes to be a teacher rather than a savior.

China doesn't view itself as a savior, but its development can salvage the world from the US exploitation.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Agreed.
But US is doing so inexplicable mistakes that China just need to let Trump to continue sailing towards the rocks.
Attacking Irán was so stupid, and even worse, he did so bad, (even UK turned to the side) that the collapse of the attackers seems to were inevitable.

When you see Friedrich Merz (German Premiere) insulting the exterior politics of US you know something really bad is happening inside White House.

Other indicators are also red. Saudi Arabia seems to have closer relation with Islamic Republic than with the Pentagon.

So, just let them sail against the rocks!.

That's why China has often being labelled as "Do nothing and win".

China is just focusing on its development, and won't engage in the war, unless the US wants to fight first.

Also, China's red line is to make sure that Iran won't collapse.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

China doesn't view itself as a savior, but its development can salvage the world from the US exploitation.

I agree with your point of view; this is an objective fact.

The United States arbitrarily freezes dollar assets and then kicks other countries out of the SWIFT settlement system. It then uses sanctions and propaganda to try to overthrow a country's government. This seriously affects the economy and sovereign security of other countries.

We provide other countries with a choice, or a backup plan.

 

[Flotilla]

I agree with your point of view; this is an objective fact.

The United States arbitrarily freezes dollar assets and then kicks other countries out of the SWIFT settlement system. It then uses sanctions and propaganda to try to overthrow a country's government. This seriously affects the economy and sovereign security of other countries.

We provide other countries with a choice, or a backup plan.

You're right. Just see Cuba.
US developed a medieval siege and wants to surrender them nearly by hunger.
It is simply unacceptable. Anyway this get out of the topic.
Happy to read Chinese support on Irán.

 

[hussain0216]

Right. And we shouldn't read too much into some internet bloggers expecting quick results. This is going to be a long process where powerful lobbies in America are pushing Trump to go into a full fledged war against Iran. Pakistan has to play its role in this all. And Pakistan is doing a great job. Just today saw a video where Pakistan's Interior Minister Mr. Naqvi, while in Iran recently, found enormous warmth and gratitude. The official Iranians know more than some angry Iranians in this forum about Pakistan and it is the official Iranians we should all pay attention to.



Hakan Fidan has been very much against Israel and he, along with the Pakistani diplomats, are consistently sounding notes of caution about Israel's role in inciting wars between Muslim countries. What he may said in front of the Germans maybe just an 'appearance' of sounding like a problem solver/neutral in front of a Western leader, but Israelis know Fidan well as an enemy of Israel.

Okay, so Trump has once again done is TACO about attacking Iran tomorrow/Tuesday. And let's examine what the Iranians were willing to concede during the Oman Talks just before this conflict and also note Trump's 'Unconditional Surrender' once the war started and contrast that with some of the publicly known concessions Americans are now giving to Iran: 25% of Iranian assets to be unfrozen, only one nuclear site allowed to enrich, and no curbs on Iranian missiles program. Public rhetoric aside, there is much going on in the background for some kind of a Deal against staunch opposition by Netanyahu and his agents in America.

Iran or persia has a long history of diplomatic excellence, it's a game of high stakes chess

They more then anyone should understand diplomacy is a game of double speak



You can't just go into the middle of discussions and shout
Death to America
And the Jews own you

Even if it's true

 

[Meengla]

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Right. Iranians have more air defense capabilities then often given credit for. One day we will know about events like those F-15s downed, the Isfahan 'rescue' mission, and the F-35 hit.