Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[东风夜放花千树]

China doesn't view itself as a savior, but its development can salvage the world from the US exploitation.

I agree with your point of view; this is an objective fact.

The United States arbitrarily freezes dollar assets and then kicks other countries out of the SWIFT settlement system. It then uses sanctions and propaganda to try to overthrow a country's government. This seriously affects the economy and sovereign security of other countries.

We provide other countries with a choice, or a backup plan.

 

[Flotilla]

I agree with your point of view; this is an objective fact.

The United States arbitrarily freezes dollar assets and then kicks other countries out of the SWIFT settlement system. It then uses sanctions and propaganda to try to overthrow a country's government. This seriously affects the economy and sovereign security of other countries.

We provide other countries with a choice, or a backup plan.

You're right. Just see Cuba.
US developed a medieval siege and wants to surrender them nearly by hunger.
It is simply unacceptable. Anyway this get out of the topic.
Happy to read Chinese support on Irán.

 

[hussain0216]

Right. And we shouldn't read too much into some internet bloggers expecting quick results. This is going to be a long process where powerful lobbies in America are pushing Trump to go into a full fledged war against Iran. Pakistan has to play its role in this all. And Pakistan is doing a great job. Just today saw a video where Pakistan's Interior Minister Mr. Naqvi, while in Iran recently, found enormous warmth and gratitude. The official Iranians know more than some angry Iranians in this forum about Pakistan and it is the official Iranians we should all pay attention to.



Hakan Fidan has been very much against Israel and he, along with the Pakistani diplomats, are consistently sounding notes of caution about Israel's role in inciting wars between Muslim countries. What he may said in front of the Germans maybe just an 'appearance' of sounding like a problem solver/neutral in front of a Western leader, but Israelis know Fidan well as an enemy of Israel.

Okay, so Trump has once again done is TACO about attacking Iran tomorrow/Tuesday. And let's examine what the Iranians were willing to concede during the Oman Talks just before this conflict and also note Trump's 'Unconditional Surrender' once the war started and contrast that with some of the publicly known concessions Americans are now giving to Iran: 25% of Iranian assets to be unfrozen, only one nuclear site allowed to enrich, and no curbs on Iranian missiles program. Public rhetoric aside, there is much going on in the background for some kind of a Deal against staunch opposition by Netanyahu and his agents in America.

Iran or persia has a long history of diplomatic excellence, it's a game of high stakes chess

They more then anyone should understand diplomacy is a game of double speak



You can't just go into the middle of discussions and shout
Death to America
And the Jews own you

Even if it's true

 

[Meengla]

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Right. Iranians have more air defense capabilities then often given credit for. One day we will know about events like those F-15s downed, the Isfahan 'rescue' mission, and the F-35 hit.

 

[Meengla]

They can import 1.2 billion Indians... Phull sapport saar

I saw several weeks ago that Israel was planning to increase the Indian workers brought to Israel around 50,000 persons. When those people are working in 'civilian' areas then the Israeli manpower could be used for military purposes. And while that may sound 'business' it show how desperate Indians are to leave India--going even into a war zone. Israeli society, especially Tel Aviv, was mostly shut down in the recent 40-day war with Iran.

 

[KAL-EL]

One thing which frustrates me is that China is hell bent on proving to the US that it's not interested in competing with US hegemony, to the extent that even Xi mentioned it infront of trump, Bro America doesn't care that you're not interested in competing, they'll always try to cut your legs and bring you down no matter how much you try to appease them and they'll never stop, they'll forever see China as threat to their world order and won't let you build another one unless you bring them down. Now I believe Chinese to be much much smarter, certainly more than me so they must know what they're doing...but conditions dictate that you prepare accordingly, that US will strike when the time is ripe, so I would stop explaining and start preparing to bring the US down or go down yourself... 2 Kings can't rule a kingdom, 2 superpowers will never coexist peacefully... US is neutralizing threats one by one so it can focus fully on China, You guys are the eventual target whether you like it or not, whether the Americans will succeed or not that's another story, the crux of the matter is that China is America's arch nemesis and forever will be until it's been tamed by them...I suggest you go on YouTube and watch any video with Chinese weapons and see the comments from westoida below, how they talk about temu toys and that they'll annihilate them easily

Why care about what a bunch of randos on YouTube say? They have no power and are keyboard warriors. Much like many here actually.

 

[Meengla]

But Pakistan can access Chinese weapon systems, including their latest fighter jets.
China will most definitely veto any anti Pakistan resolution in the UNSC.
China can also invest and trade with Pakistan as well.
So, isn't all that Pakistan needs from China?

Not a thread about Pakistan-China but you are right. That's basically all Pakistan needs. People shouldn't forget Pakistan is a nation of 250 million , so manpower is not an issue. Reuters yesterday even disclosed that the Pak-Saudi Defense Agreement allows up to 80,000 Pakistani personnel deployable to Saudi Arabia if needed. 80,000!!
In the context of this war, China and Pakistan, as they often do in geopolitics, are working very closely together to stop this war.

 

[BHAN85]

We are not saviors. I think America should gradually die out, rather than be directly slain. This aligns with what we are currently doing.

There was a kind of rhetoric before that a war between the Soviet Union and the United States would destroy the Earth. Would a war between China and the United States not destroy the Earth?

Good days require everyone's effort, not expecting two giants to go to war directly. The United States and the Soviet Union did not take this approach, and China and the United States will not take this approach either.

We welcome other countries to join us. Directly providing food can only fill your stomach for a day; once you learn the technology to grow it yourself, you can eat well regularly. China likes to be a teacher rather than a savior.

Soviet elite accepted the defeat.

USA elite is not accepting anything.

China can't beat USA by peaceful means.

USA behavior towards China since 2015 is give things to China to share the world, but USA wont never accept China ordering anything to them.

A Partnership with China to Avoid World War

International cooperation is in decline both in the political and financial spheres. The UN has failed to address any of the major conflicts since the end of the cold war; the 2009 Copenhagen Climate Change Conference left a sour aftertaste; the World Trade Organization hasn’t concluded a major...

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Same year it started experiments with SARS virus, few months after.

A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence - PMC

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A good partnership!

Years later, EU suicide themselves following USA orders, giving all the Russia market and energy to China. Another American gift to please China.

Will it be enough? We will see in the Iran war restart.

 

[KAL-EL]

So you expect China to stick out its neck to fight the Americans and Indians in the wars happened recently. Unrealistic expectations.

^this
People are projecting their own hopiem on China. Like they want to use China as their personal shield or something.

There are actually some people here that were convinced China was going to go to war directly with the US over Iran.

I'm against the war but sorry China is not going to start world war 3 over Iran

Some people need to be more realistic and live in the real world.

 

[Winthorpe]

Explosions were heard on Tuesday on Iran's Qeshm Island, the country's Mehr News Agency reported, saying the cause was unknown.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

British Airways has suspended flights to Israel until August 1.

 

[Yasser76]

British Airways has suspended flights to Israel until August 1.

More cost cutting then anything else I reckon

 

[MH.Yang]

Bro, you can talk this kind of manner to the Chinese members, but most non-Chinese members are expecting China to act as the messiah to counter against the non-stop bullying from the US imposing on the world.

Paradoxically, the continuous development of China has undoubtedly weakened the US hegemony, whether it is intentional or not.

We cannot ignore the objective fact that the US hegemony can no longer sustain against the continuous development of China.

And the world could become more dangerous, and we do need more counter measures to face the worst possible scenario.

Bro, you can talk this kind of manner to the Chinese members, but most non-Chinese members are expecting China to act as the messiah to counter against the non-stop bullying from the US imposing on the world.

Paradoxically, the continuous development of China has undoubtedly weakened the US hegemony, whether it is intentional or not.

We cannot ignore the objective fact that the US hegemony can no longer sustain against the continuous development of China.

And the world could become more dangerous, and we do need more counter measures to face the worst possible scenario.

Direct military conflict between China and the United States would lead to the destruction of the world. It would be a force of destruction, not salvation. The only thing China should do is make the United States back down in the face of difficulty.

 

[Kattarpajit]

This is why I say no one in the West takes China seriously. They're just after money, nothing else. Pakistanis get excited thinking China will come to their aid. Well they will...as much as they came to the aid of Iranians or any of their 'allies' - lip service basically.

off topic but I believe Pakistan is the only rare exception for China, reputable Chinese geopolitical analysts like Victor Gao have repeatedly said in multiple interviews that China will fully support Pakistan in safe guarding it's sovereignity and territorial integrity... May 2025 is also a testament to this

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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