Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[KAL-EL]

Trump reportedly moving toward ordering strikes on Iran but no final decision made

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www.timesofisrael.com

Honestly this back and forth thing is giving me a headache I only believe the risk of war is great because I don’t see trump passing on making inappropriate moves on his juniors guests(assuming just the women)if war does erupt i can see him doing it in Memorial Day to try to make it a “patriotic” event to rally his extreme base but by now I don’t know what the hell is going on anymore I honestly don’t think trump knows what’s going on anymore……………it’s painful to say but I would take Sleepy Joe back over the Orange Clown whose about to take us the abyss if not with Iran than next international fiasco to domestic issues

I agree! At this point I would take Joe Biden back in a heartbeat. For all his faults, at least he wasn't going to let netanyahu talk him into war with Iran

 

[KAL-EL]

From ex chief’s our Papa john’s

I'm thinking tomato pies with lots of toppings

 

[FUB]

Get ready for a false flag and the resumption of the war

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[Meengla]

I don't think there is going to be another full fledged war on Iran; at most, another arranged tit for tat like in June 2025. But Netanyahu is trying very hard except he has not been successful so far. Netanyahu didn't even want the ceasefire brokered by Pakistan in the second week of April but America's calculations are more than Netanyahu's regional goals.
I am still hopeful for a give and take and a de-escalation as the most likely path forward. I don't think the Americans and the Israelis needed the ceasefire replenish their supplies but I believe Iran has certainly taken more advantage of the ceasefire to regroup and replenish itself--something only Netanyahu didn't like.
Given all what I have understood so far, Iran had and still has the upper hand in this conflict. I don't think short of a massive ground invasion and/or carpet bombing like Dresden and/or multiple nukes on Iran, I don't see Iran is going to be an overall loser in this war.

 

[Lulldapull]

I don't think there is going to be another full fledged war on Iran; at most, another arranged tit for tat like in June 2025. But Netanyahu is trying very hard except he has not been successful so far. Netanyahu didn't even want the ceasefire brokered by Pakistan in the second week of April but America's calculations are more than Netanyahu's regional goals.
I am still hopeful for a give and take and a de-escalation as the most likely path forward. I don't think the Americans and the Israelis needed the ceasefire replenish their supplies but I believe Iran has certainly taken more advantage of the ceasefire to regroup and replenish itself--something only Netanyahu didn't like.
Given all what I have understood so far, Iran had and still has the upper hand in this conflict. I don't think short of a massive ground invasion and/or carpet bombing like Dresden and/or multiple nukes on Iran, I don't see Iran is going to be an overall loser in this war.

Irans totally won this and exposed the US as a chutiya outfit.

It’s been so over this war.

Now we’re finding out that the US never had a chance to begin with:

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[SecularNationalist]

But winning a war doesn't mean the defeated enemy will accept it
Iran basically won the war, but US doesn't want to accept it, at least not yet, and same for Russia- it has won the war because Ukraine is destroyed and cannot survive on its own and Ukraine's population is in permanent decline(so the state is not viable the longterm), but Ukraine hasn't accepted d the loss, at least not yet.
Same with US in Afghanistan - US probably knew the war was lost between 2010-2015, but it didn't accept it for many years, until it just had to. If US and Ukraine can't realistically find a way to win their current wars, they have lost,and no, they won't be able to hide that truth for much longer.

Hmmmm correct. Similarly India lost both in 2019 and operation sindoor but didn't accept it. Infact represented a very wrong picture using godi media.

 

[GWXP]

Russia has developed a 65km range unjammable Fiber-Optic FPV drone.

Iran has a similar drone with a range of 48km.

Such drones cost around 3000$ per unit.

Offensive military operations with tanks, APCs, IFVs, armored cars and infantry have no future.

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Battlefields will look like this

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When 65km range Fiber-Optic FPV drones arrive to Hezbollah, they will be able to strike Israeli bases from the Lebanese border to as far as Jenin.

 

[Lulldapull]

Russia has developed a 65km range unjammable Fiber-Optic FPV drone.

Iran has a similar drone with a range of 48km.

Such drones cost around 3000$ per unit.

Offensive military operations with tanks, APCs, IFVs, armored cars and infantry have no future.

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When 65km range Fiber-Optic FPV drones arrive to Hezbollah, they will be able to strike Israeli bases from the Lebanese border to as far as Jenin.
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Helo gunships are obsolete too man. Completely useless on today’s battlefield. Everyday the manned combat aviation becoming increasingly worthless. And we know how useless the USN has been in the Iran war.

A decade or so and pretty much all current weaponry going to the scrap heap.

 

[SteppeWolff]

Tell us how that has gone against the Taliban so far. Determined and skilled guerilla fighters can damage your army, do not be overconfident for no good reason.

Taliban has never achieved anything against Pakistan apart from getting blown causing mutual deaths. Its the same group that has survived decades on Pakistani given lifeline against Americans.

Its a classic case of an internal insurgency, which is inherently harder to fight.

Dont compare apples to oranges.

Iraqis and Yemenis of any kinds are short work for Pakistani forces, IF, they go against em.

 

[SteppeWolff]

You can't even establish internal security; forget about taking on Iraqis and Yemenis. Your an inflated army with one of the worst trackrecords of any nation in military history, propped up by China because you serve their strategic interests against India.

Yapa Yap.

We just won the largest BVR aerial battle in history of aerial warfare. This is just one of many things Pakistan does, but doesn't boast, unlike certain countries who just boast and then get smoked.

I love how hurt you are

 

[SteppeWolff]

Yeah whatever. You can thank China for providing you with the means.

Keep crying.

Go develop a nuke now, wait- you cant even come from your real ID on here. Another case of empty boasting.

 

[SteppeWolff]

And your relation with the Arabs is nothing more than one of providing cheap cannon fodder to the Saudis, who don't consider you to be equal in any one sense.

Ofcourse they are not equal. Pakistan is the only nuclear power in the Muslim world, how they can be equal to it? Including you too.

 

[Bengal71]

Meanwhile, Russia is now in Year 4 of the Three Day Special Military Operation.

Well, Trump isn't far behind. How long he said the war would last again?

 

[hussain0216]

I don't think there is going to be another full fledged war on Iran; at most, another arranged tit for tat like in June 2025. But Netanyahu is trying very hard except he has not been successful so far. Netanyahu didn't even want the ceasefire brokered by Pakistan in the second week of April but America's calculations are more than Netanyahu's regional goals.
I am still hopeful for a give and take and a de-escalation as the most likely path forward. I don't think the Americans and the Israelis needed the ceasefire replenish their supplies but I believe Iran has certainly taken more advantage of the ceasefire to regroup and replenish itself--something only Netanyahu didn't like.
Given all what I have understood so far, Iran had and still has the upper hand in this conflict. I don't think short of a massive ground invasion and/or carpet bombing like Dresden and/or multiple nukes on Iran, I don't see Iran is going to be an overall loser in this war.

Their are multiple reasons why a resumption of war is a bad idea militarily, from low stocks, to continued targeting of U.S bases and interests in the middle east

But ultimately it's the ECONOMY


The effects of the Iran war economically are gradual and increasing

No amount of bombing will fix that it will just increase and speed up the consequences

The U.S because of Israel has gotten itself STUCK

It wants out
It wants all this finished
And the straight of Hormuz opened immediately and everything to go back to how it was before with Iran sanctioned

The U.S and Trump wants to claim the win and move on and it will state that they killed Khameni and other leaders, destroyed Iranian Air force and it's ability to make missiles etc

Then continue the pressure game on Iran over the coming years of not decades




Iran and others are smart enough to see this will gradually over the years lead to a Iranian demise

So now that they have the Hormuz closed and U.S allies under pressure and suffering and the world economy suffering and U.S economy suffering

Iran knows it has cards to play and to end the war it can wait to force the U.S remove sanctions and put itself in a strong position in the region




We are in a Mexican standoff and the U.S has cornered itself because it allowed itself to be conned by the Zionists


War won't happen again, Trump doesn't have the stomach for it, he wants quick victories


Some more bombing? Maybe
But iran will just respond

 

[Aryan_B]

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Bollocks Israel is powerless against Iran without American support