Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

Exactly. Even if the revolution hadn’t happened. The US would have demanded more and more from us. Then they would have eventually done exactly what they are doing to us now.

You talk as if we have never given anything to Russia and China so far.

The only difference is that in return for being a US proxy, Iran was enjoying security and prosperity, booming as a tourist destination, huge construction was going inside the country and the Iranian passport was far more respected than it is now. Our currency was stable, inflation was under control, and our air force was armed to the teeth.

Funny, but the only weapons that actually killed more than one or two American soldiers in a single strike were the ones we purchased from the Americans themselves. I am talking about our attacks on the Buehring Camp in Kuwait. One sortie by an F-5 achieved what over 2,000 missiles could not in TP1, TP2, TP3 and TP3.

 

[Lulldapull]

China is weaker than Russia? Come on please. Go read some basics on the internet. China is so strong actually, that war will never reach it's shores. It's exactly what Sun Tzu said. The real winner of the war is the one who doesn't even need fighting. Unlike Russia that's been encroached upon since 1989 and completely cornered into having to fight this war in Ukraine (far too late).

We've seen China weaponry in many theaters recently, mostly in the ME with their shit drones. Just deplorable!

That's why nobody buys their weapons, including Iran.

 

[mangekyo]

Even if Iran screams I love America for 47 years.

Thats even worse. Because then the Israelis would face completion from a real country with a formidable workforce and ingenuity.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Negotiations are still ongoing while the USA bombs Iran

 

[Meengla]

Anyways, we are where we are now and there’s no reason to look back.

You are right. No point going back to the history.
PS. Going forward, because this is a Pakistani forum, it needs to be understood by all Iranians and Pakistanis: Iran is Pakistan's strategic depth and Pakistan is Iran's strategic depth.

 

[mangekyo]

You talk as if we have never given anything to Russia and China so far.

The only difference is that in return for being a US proxy, Iran was enjoying security and prosperity, booming as a tourist destination, huge construction was going inside the country and the Iranian passport was far more respected than it is now. Our currency was stable, inflation was under control, and our air force was armed to the teeth.

Funny, but the only weapons that actually killed more than one or two American soldiers in a single strike were the ones we purchased from the Americans themselves. I am talking about our attacks on the Buehring Camp in Kuwait. One sortie by an F-5 achieved what over 2,000 missiles could not in TP1, TP2, TP3 and TP3.

The point is that it wouldn’t last. And the fact that they got rid of the shah proves it. Have you heard the saying «you can’t turn a hoe into a housewife?» we’re basically hoes to them.

 

[Shags101]

Negotiations are still ongoing while the USA bombs Iran

I’m feeling Qatar got left with their pants down

 

[Lulldapull]

Ridiculous. You're pakistani? Care to talk a bit about the Chinese weapons in operation Sindoor? How 'shitty' they were? J-10, pl-(15/16 whatever), radars, air defence?

Absolutely horrible!.......Some of us know.

Look at their drones in ME.

Look at their AD in Caracas.

 

[Watandar]

Iran is Pakistan's strategic depth and Pakistan is Iran's strategic depth.

They could be, but there is still a LOT of resistance to this concept on both sides anyways back to topic.

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

We've seen China weaponry in many theaters recently, mostly in the ME with their shit drones. Just deplorable!

That's why nobody buys their weapons, including Iran.

What about Pakistan?

 

[Nawnaw1]

You talk as if we have never given anything to Russia and China so far.

The only difference is that in return for being a US proxy, Iran was enjoying security and prosperity, booming as a tourist destination, huge construction was going inside the country and the Iranian passport was far more respected than it is now. Our currency was stable, inflation was under control, and our air force was armed to the teeth.

Funny, but the only weapons that actually killed more than one or two American soldiers in a single strike were the ones we purchased from the Americans themselves. I am talking about our attacks on the Buehring Camp in Kuwait. One sortie by an F-5 achieved what over 2,000 missiles could not in TP1, TP2, TP3 and TP3.

Why do you focus on a couple of dead us soldiers? they're worthless. Why don't you say anything about the billions of dollars in thaad and patriot radars and launchers? I swear some Iranians are so doomy and gloomy their minds turn into mush.

 

[ShotErrorKh]

Drone attacks on the fifth fleet is becoming the new "we will respond at a time and place of our choosing"

 

[ShapurII]

Egypt is bankrupt at the push of a button and Turkey isn't much different. The point isn't that. Iran is only isolated because of brutal us and western pressure on the entire world to cut ties with Iran. Something that they can't do forver.

Turkey has been at the risk of default for years, but it is not going to happen because it is normally trading with the world. Iran is isolated because we decided to free the Palestinians from Israel, an issue that is not in our top national priorities.

The hostility between the US and IRan has nothing to do with any Iranian policy. You go and think to yourself how Iran could have defended itself today if it wasn't for decades of proxy building, missile (city) building, helping in Syria, in Iraq. Isis was created by sad sunnies that wanted revenge? Or by nato and turkey. Or al nusra? This war has been going on for 50 years and it all stems from trying to create greater 'isr' and destroying all countries that oppose it and don't want to be a vassal.

I knew the ISIS would be created against Iranian influence in the region a couple of years before it happened. I had read about it in a book by an ex-CIA operative who said one of the main goals of the US to contain Iran should be to invest on Sunni extremism to curb Iran's regional influence. It was a book by Robert Baer, published during Ahmadinejad's presidency.

That said, it all happened because we showed up on the US radar as a threat to their national interests. Nobody put us there except our own mistakes.

Nothing Iran can do, say or could do, say would change this. If Iran had 4 million people, it would have never become an enemy. It has 90 million and oil and lots of home grown tech and industry. So by definition it's an enemy.

China is the main enemy of the US because they're 'communist'? Or becausre they're becoming ecomonmically dominant and a threat to amercia's unsustainable 'number 1' position?

Iran was never an enemy by definition. Not until we decided to define our post-revolution identity as an anti-American, anti-Imperialist revolutionary country that is bound by oath to be against Israel. It was our choice to do so.

The US and China relations have had its ups and downs, but the Chinese never chanted Death to America and the Americans never sang Bomb Bomb Bomb China. Again, we identified our state post-1979 revolution as an anti-American, anti-Imperialist revolutionary state that wants to liberate the oppressed. We defined our own identity post-1979 revolution and the world believed it.

 

[Lulldapull]

What about Pakistan?

Who buys their weaponry?

Well?