Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[030292]

With each passing day trump and his cronies are getting more and more desperate.

On one side you have irgc beating the hell out of you and blocking global oil supply while on the other side you have natanyahu threatening to leak damaging epstein material if he doesnt continue the war.

Talk about a rock and a hard place.

 

[OldTwilight]

There are bunch of cowards in power who do not dare to develop nukes.

شریعتمداری گفت تنگه رو ببندید و یک عده مسخره‌ش می‌کردن که اگه اینکار رو کنیم ، زمین و زمان به هم می ریزه و کل دنیا علیه ما لشکر کشی می کنند . بستیم و حالا تنها ابزار مون همین تنگه هست. پس شریعتمداری درست می گفت

شریعتمداری می گه از آن پی تی خارج بشیم باز همون یک عده همون گوه قبلی رو می‌خورند .

دیوث ها حتما باید ایران بمباران اتمی کنند تا شما أدم بشید ؟!

 

[ShapurII]

If I were the Supreme Leader of Iran, I would use tactical nukes against US aircraft carriers and reserve my strategic nukes to target Israel and major US cities. That's the only language that the United States would understand perfectly.

 

[Hayabusa]

If I were the Supreme Leader of Iran, I would use tactical nukes against US aircraft carriers and reserve my strategic nukes to target Israel and major US cities. That's the only language that the United States would understand perfectly.

That is suicidal to say the very least. If it has nuclear weapons, it should be directed against Israel at the very least in a MAD scenario.

 

[ShapurII]

That is suicidal to say the very least. If it has nuclear weapons, it should be directed against Israel at the very least in a MAD scenario.

I don't think using tactical nukes against aircraft carriers is suicidal.

The US is not going to launch an all-out nuclear war over 5000 deaths.

 

[OldTwilight]

That is suicidal to say the very least. If it has nuclear weapons, it should be directed against Israel at the very least in a MAD scenario.

No , it's logical. ,

USA/Uk won 2 world war by prolonging those wars... We can't win a prolonged conflict against them

They are at top of the current power structure , it's not logical for them to enter this kind of lose lose conflict,but for us this existential

 

[VCheng]

If I were the Supreme Leader of Iran, I would use tactical nukes against US aircraft carriers and reserve my strategic nukes to target Israel and major US cities. That's the only language that the United States would understand perfectly.

A very potent step, if it were indeed done. I wonder why not already, though?

 

[Garcia Sea]

IRI’s timidity quickly led to threats of an all-out attack and a ground invasion. Unless the IRGC finally learns its lesson, ignores the government, and takes action to defend the country, Iran as a nation will truly cease to exist.

 

[VCheng]

Iran as a nation will truly cease to exist.

Incorrect. Iran is here to stay. It will survive this war, 100%.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

I don't think using tactical nukes against aircraft carriers is suicidal.

The US is not going to launch an all-out nuclear war over 5000 deaths.

No.

What would be unleashed though would be just as hellish.

 

[ShapurII]

A very potent step, if it were indeed done. I wonder why not already, though?

Isn't it obvious? Because Iran is not a nuclear state.

I wouldn't have played stupidly like the Ayatollahs of Iran. I would've never signed a surrender treaty like the JCPOA In the first place.

Iran had 13 tons of LEU and hundreds of kilograms HALEU in 2013. We handed it over for no good reason. Had Iran gone nuclear in 2013, we would've had over 50 tactical nukes by now, and a couple of good strategic nukes too. And we had already unlocked the plutonium path as well.

 

[VCheng]

No.

What would be unleashed though would be just as hellish.

"If wishes were horses ... ... "

Any step taken must be taken with due consideration to all the ramifications thereof, of course.

 

[VCheng]

Isn't it obvious? Because Iran is not a nuclear state.

I wouldn't have played stupidly like the Ayatollahs of Iran. I would've never signed a surrender treaty like the JCPOA In the first place.

Iran had 13 tons of LEU and hundreds of kilograms HALEU in 2013. We handed it over for no good reason. Had Iran gone nuclear in 2013, we would've had over 50 tactical nukes by now, and a couple of good strategic nukes too. And we had already unlocked the plutonium path as well.

Well, that is all in the past now. We are living in the present, not the past. What happens next is what we all should concentrate on.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

This is exactly what the physical control enables that system of systems approach lacks. Unless everyone is playing ball the system of systems collapses. The reason why Iran can do what it is doing is because that is physical and real... actual oil and navigation... they can be paid in anything in lieu of goods and services. A trade is always mutually beneficial... it is because US has leveraged it's fiat one too many times... in a system where only ONE walks away with real goods and the other with an instrument that can simply become trash over night... and manipulators use that to keep extracting more for themselves and limiting access to the rest... to keep the demand steady.

Anyways, Iran can over time mandate all transactions passing through the straits be held in a different coin altogether and sanction anyone using US instruments... financial or otherwise. Because of the real world consequences it will become enough impetus for those short on dollars first and later one holding large worthless bags of it...
Remember US swapped it's debt with actual money... and made the world use it's inflation by mandating purchase of oil in the same...
Iran has much more leverage than one gives credit.

 

[ShapurII]

No.

What would be unleashed though would be just as hellish.

It depends. If our neighbors see that happen, I'm sure fear will discourage them from allowing the US to use their territories and air space. I'm sure they know that if Iran nukes them, the US and Israel won't mind. So, why risk their entire existence over that?

The US will end up in a situation where it won't be able to attack Iran from the sea and it won't be able to use our neighboring countries. Then I would offer the US good terms for a potential normalization of ties.

It will be up to the US to continue a pointless costly war or take a deal which benefits the US and opens the possibility of hundreds of billions of dollars in trade.