Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[niubi]

Venezuela was only a cake walk for the US because they paid off more than half the entire upper military leadership. Venezuela didn't even shoot at the Americans.

How come they didn't just do that with Iran then if they have the supposed hard power capabilities to pull that off like they want the world to believe?

Venezuela handed its resignation over to the US when its leadership class took USD and passport deals or whatever bribes the US intelligence offered. The Americans could not do shit to Iran outside of strikes which any reasonable military power can pull off with ease... I mean Iran hit countless US military targets that are defended by multilayered IAD and did the same to Israeli military and unfortunately also civilian targets. The US would run out of conventional ordinance before they could completely defeat Iran using stand off strikes alone. Only boots on ground can change this military defeat into a victory and boots on ground would cost the US so much it would have zero left in the tank to threaten any middle power let alone any near peer or peer power.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Khamenei is a cursed name and bloodline.

 

[TumbaX]

Venezuela was only a cake walk for the US because they paid off more than half the entire upper military leadership. Venezuela didn't even shoot at the Americans.

How come they didn't just do that with Iran then if they have the supposed hard power capabilities to pull that off like they want the world to believe?

Venezuela handed its resignation over to the US when its leadership class took USD and passport deals or whatever bribes the US intelligence offered. The Americans could not do shit to Iran outside of strikes which any reasonable military power can pull off with ease... I mean Iran hit countless US military targets that are defended by multilayered IAD and did the same to Israeli military and unfortunately also civilian targets. The US would run out of conventional ordinance before they could completely defeat Iran using stand off strikes alone. Only boots on ground can change this military defeat into a victory and boots on ground would cost the US so much it would have zero left in the tank to threaten any middle power let alone any near peer or peer power.

Fck Venezuela…. It doesnt impact Asia much, a toothless americunta can run around and bully smaller nations in thr neighbourhood, Asian countries can just fuel up internal fault line in US…. prop up latinos, blacks to fck americunts till the days euroids run back to europe.

USA is a cowardly rent seeking state who cant bring real boots on ground and any country which can produce decent bike engines can overwhelm US navy and Air force present in vicinity of 2000 fckin kms….

Its time Resource rich west asia and Africans see the reality and start trading in local currencies abandon US dollar make the parasite americunts weak

 

[Lulldapull]

Sir ji , US used in Japan was very low yield in Nagasaki and Hiroshima, the one we have and other countries are extremely high yield , which also destroy environment of continents. In other words , we all die.

Nuke talk like these hendu-pak type sepoy people are just both neither relevant nor sovereign. Nobody takes hendu-pak k joker types seriously.

Dis da real drama. At least for our chummppu type people.

Nuke = junk today!

 

[Watandar]

Whats the obsession how this war impacts US home land, US home land is viable because of USD is a reserve currency.

A 100 US dollar bill costs them few cents to manufacture and americunts can buy goods services and material thousands of Renminbi and Rupees.

And how they sustain this US dollar as reserve currency by influencing various resource rich nations to trade most common commodities in US dollars and influence is mainly a US military base inside thr country or a Aircraft Carrier near thr shores.

What this war has shown to planet Americunts are becoming more and more unsure to use thr military and that too is not that successful because military technology has become cheaper and easier to acquire….

A 20000 USD drone vs 2 million interceptor

The glory days are near over for pedo Americunts, many resource rich countries will slowly adopt other currencies diluting americunt power they can boss around Venezuela ….

Once USD loses its status the rabid, uncivilised US society will literally become cannibals and 100s of nations which are pissed off by americunta will make sure the civil war goes on till the days euroids run back to europe

drop the foul language it doesn't make you sound more intelligent or bad ass. We don't need this forum to turn into internet sludge.

 

[Lulldapull]

You guys are missing the forest for the trees (peace deal specifics).

Iran has forced the US into a peace deal that is somewhat agreeable to entirely an improvement from previous position for Iran.

The US thought it could do as it pleases and "destroy all of Iran", "wipe out a civilisation" all the fantastical bluster and nonsense just to capitulate to Iran after finding out they are completely powerless to achieve any military superiority over Iran.

Yes this is mostly because Iran has Israel by the balls and Israel has America by the balls so it would be like if South Korea and Japan controlled US politics and economy and North Korea could simply threaten to annihilate South Korea and Japan to defeat the US. But I digress, Iran wins with any peace deal because America failed to perform all that it promised about using some B-2s to level all of Iran (impossible) and all that nonsense westoids and their ganges blowhards always talk about.

In reality, piss weak. Paper tiger USA.

Good job Iran showing the world for the last year just how much of a paper tiger the USA is.

Dude.......first da 12 day war.......and Iran pummeled dem with like a 1000 ballistic missiles and another thousand drones. Totally pulled down da Israeli panties no?

Then 40 day war has sealed their doom. Its just unreal how the Iranians have demolished the US military. The US gave it its best shot, and it wasn't good enough no?

The west is basically in da casket brah, militarily/ strategically vs Iran.

My question now is, now dat all them colluddz have found out on whats actually up.......What will happen now?

Will the colluddzz demand better living conditions now?

 

[sutton9999]

How much does Iran get paid to play along with this pause?

Rumor it is some gold bar from UAE/Sudan.

 

[niubi]

Dude.......first da 12 day war.......and Iran pummeled dem with like a 1000 ballistic missiles and another thousand drones. Totally pulled down da Israeli panties no?

Then 40 day war has sealed their doom. Its just unreal how the Iranians have demolished the US military. The US gave it its best shot, and it wasn't good enough no?

The west is basically in da casket brah, militarily/ strategically vs Iran.

My question now is, now dat all them colluddz have found out on whats actually up.......What will happen now?

Will the colluddzz demand better living conditions now?

America is navigating its decline in a way that allows its elites to still maintain as much influence and wealth as possible given their decline.

It's taken massive hits and continues losing ground but it's still a juggernaut. There is a reason why Trump and the entire American elite class went to China a month ago for negotiations. Basically the 21st century's Yalta moment but only "G2".

China is helping with this US decline because a catastrophic implosion for the US is dangerous for everyone and will result in global economic Armageddon for just about everyone if it isn't a well controlled descent.

 

[niubi]

How much does Iran get paid to play along with this pause?

Rumor it is some gold bar from UAE/Sudan.

Pauses are more favourable to Iran because the cost to supply Iran with its main instruments of war are cheaper and faster to acquire and assemble than that for Israel and US.

Not to mention Israeli and American weapon supplies require rare earths from China which are more tightly restricted these days. Iran doesn't appear to have rare earth supply strains for their ballistic missiles and drones more due to scale of application and the patterns of attrition between drone vs interceptors required for each drone/missile.

Not to mention Iran is 100% focused on this fight because it is for everything while US needs to worry about conserving arms and supplies for potential fights with North Korea, Russia and/or China, while maintaining presence in multiple theatres.

 

[Meengla]

"Knocking sense into someone's head"(in this case UAE)- a real concept that works in the real world. Wow

Right.
UAE was very quick to disown itself from the news/rumors of the Israeli Irone Dome deployed on its soil against Iran. You may trade with the Devil but you don't bed with the Devil.

 

[Meengla]

I don't think so. They don't carpet bomb cuz Iran can actually retaliate, with fair precision.
If it was any other 'muzlim' country.........then you are right on da maany.

Bush's threat to send Pakistan 'Back to the Stone Age' after 9/11 may have been valid then but that was a quarter century ago. Pakistan, along with maybe Turkey, has the best air defense system in the entire Muslim world now, no small thanks to the Chinese.
But it is hypothetical and actually the relations between Pakistan and America are the best since the Nixon years. No point discussing this.

 

[Meengla]

Their bases are far from rubble. The US still retains the capability to launch war on Iran.
Honestly, when you look at the situation from the perspective of an average Joe, the US adventure in Iran hasn't cost the Americans much. Close to $100 billion, which is not that much for the US's one trillion dollar military budget, and fewer than 15 deaths.

You are right: Money is not the major issue here. However, per my most reliable Chas Freeman, about 70% of the 17 odd US bases in the Middle East have suffered major damage. To rebuild them will take time. And the consent and help of the local govts. And still, after some months of lull in fighting, they, after having rebuilt, will be easy targets for a replenished Iran. Any sign of another impending war, Iran would know what to do then and any impending war will be heralded by another massive American armada coming to the north Arabian Sea.
As I said to you some pages ago: Once Americans withdraw after some 'Deal', they are never coming back attack Iran again--not even when Trump is the POTUS and after Trump, I see zero chance for that, Zionist lobby or not.

 

[Meengla]

Geneva is Iran's choice IMO because Switzerland is an established, reliable, internationally established neutral state, especially if it agrees to mediate between 2 conflicting parties.

That and plus the central global location. Pakistanis kept Islamabad prepped for Islamabad Round 2 for a long time but that never happened and even Trump said he can't send Vance for another 18 hour trip unless there is surety of some meeting. Logistics are extremely important here especially considering Israel is hellbent to sabotage any way it can and it wouldn't surprise me much if the Israelis try to take out the delegation going to Geneva.
Netanyahu has turned into a rabid dog. 'Pagal Kutta'!!

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

If Iran gives up its 60% HEU and enrichment capability, and opens the strait, this is a total strategic failure for Iran. it seems Qalibaf and Araghchi are desperate to give America in diplomacy everything they couldn't achieve during war.

I don't think either are on the table as Qalibaf alluded to... I'm paraphrasing here... they want on the table what they couldn't achieve by force... or to that effect.
An authority managing the straits for pure security and transit is a must... tolled or not... the straits should be secured in case of any danger to in land states or hostile intrusion or to manage environmental concerns. There just cannot be any compromise on this or it directly infringes on Iran's national security and economic wellbeing.
As to the nuclear issue... the reason there is 60% HEU at all is BECAUSE ORANGE CLOWN TRASHED JCPOA!!! So it is a bargaining chip... and a direct consequence.
I believe Iran should have nukes... if they choose not to ... or bargain with what cheeto himself contributed directly in creating, it is upto Iran... and it doesn't infringe on national security... though does grant deterrence... but since Iranian positions are well defined and defensive in nature... they can continue down the same path... greater objectives canbe achieved by less.

However it shouldn't be handed over to anyone... dilute it... it is Iranian. There is another issue of a compromised IAEA... and that again creates a national security concern. And here much needs to be done...

 

[Meengla]

Fck Venezuela…. It doesnt impact Asia much, a toothless americunta can run around and bully smaller nations in thr neighbourhood, Asian countries can just fuel up internal fault line in US…. prop up latinos, blacks to fck americunts till the days euroids run back to europe. USA is a cowardly rent seeking state who cant bring real boots on ground and any country which can produce decent bike engines can overwhelm US navy and Air force present in vicinity of 2000 fckin kms….
Its time Resource rich west asia and Africans see the reality and start trading in local currencies abandon US dollar make the parasite americunts weak

You just joined today and such an entrance to the forum!!
But, as far as Latin America is concerned, the whole damn large continent is a joke. I don't want to say much to offend anyone from there. Maybe in some other thread.