Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[BananaRepublic]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/senior-iranian-mp-says-strong-response-is-coming-to-israels-beirut-strike/

I don’t think it’s going to be a 30 to 20 missiles salute this time they the Israelis to understand the equation has changed the Iranians will sign the agreement but it might take an extra few days

Can Iran sign a peace deal MoU with USA only?

That way they can tag team with Hezbollah to pound the never chosen people.

God promised a covenant with Abraham’s eldest son.

On that basis, Jews aren’t the chosen people.

Gold also promised Abraham a great nation.

Great is defined as large and powerful.

At no point Jews have been large or powerful.

Again by definition and empirical facts - Jews aren’t the chosen people.

 

[Meengla]

This stand off between Iran and Israel will NOT END BY HALF MEASURES.
Now Iran may well choose to buy time, which nobody would criticise them for, but that will come at a cost - the cost may well be Hezbollah and arguably, the whole of Lebanon. This is a difficult choice to have to make.

It would be easier for me to wish that the war doesn't stop and keeps going to the point of at least causing major financial stress on Israel but then I am not there to risk my life. If the Iranians have the wherewithal to fight for a long time to keep inflicting the pain on Israel then that would be be best route for a long term peace in that region. Not my call. I can't be the armchair General.
But I don't think Lebanon is going anywhere: About a third of Lebanon is Shia Muslim and the Israelis would have to finish them off to take and hold onto southern Lebanon. However, total shame on the Sunni and the Christian Lebanese who would allow Israel to gobble up the prized land in southern Lebanon. That land is fertile!! Something Israel desperately needs in that parched region.

 

[Ali_Baba]

I think what the post is actually say Bibi hopes Iran responds to have the agreement to collapse

The agreement does not have to collapse. Iran can formally say, in light of ceasefire violations, the signing will be delayed for 2 weeks etc. Then Iran can decide if they want to militarily retaliate or not. Make this compliance issue Trumps problem as well, not just Iran's alone.

 

[Meengla]

An Israeli site today reported that if the large numbers of the American jets stay at the Ben Gurion Airport then expect a large numbers of flights to/from Israel to be cancelled. The Americans are stationed in Israel and possibly in Cyprus because the American bases in the vicinity of Iran are either badly damaged or too susceptible to the Iranian strikes.
Israel's First World economy, its soft pampered population, its dual citizenship population makes Israel very susceptible to the economic shocks. The circumstances for Israel are untenable unless it totally defeats Iran. So why we can discuss the impacts of missiles and bombs from either sides, the advantage of resilience lies with Iran. Just like it did with the Vietnamese or the Afghans.

 

[Watandar]

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Watch them shoot 7 missiles and call it a day

What do you want ? A resumption of this pointless war ? The only remaining issue left is the severely bruised Israeli / American egos and their attempt to have the final word and blow.

 

[Watandar]

The agreement does not have to collapse. Iran can formally say, in light of ceasefire violations, the signing will be delayed for 2 weeks etc. Then Iran can decide if they want to militarily retaliate or not. Make this compliance issue Trumps problem as well, not just Iran's alone.

very good strategy.

 

[BananaRepublic]

What do you want ? A resumption of this pointless war ? The only remaining issues left is the severely bruised Israeli / American egos and their attempt to have the final word and blow.

You aren’t going to change the outcome of this war through more bloodshed.

Objective was regime change and missiles.

Iran has kept both and added SoH and GCC poodles to the basket.

That’s not going to change even if Iran pounds Israel.

 

[Persian Gulf]

This statement doesn't demand "Israeli" withdrawal from South Lebanon. And based on the "Israeli" and Lebanese govts' agreement - brokered by the US, this occupation of South Lebanon can only end when Hezbollah is disarmed.

Hezbollah, as a resistance group, doesn't want to accept this framework. They are, therefore, continuing the military pressure and keep hitting the Zionist occupying forces. "Israelis" on their part are now regarding every attack on their forces in South Lebanon as an attack on Northern "Israel". So they keep attacking Dahieh in order to derail the ceasefire and legitimize the occupation of South Lebanon.

At the end, it all depends on how far Iran is willing to push to ensure "Israel" withdrawal from South Lebanon.

I agree, Israel will not withdraw without concessions from Hezbollah. But this is not realistic at this point. A full ceasefire on the current lines of control is a superior position than the ceasefire Hezbollah had to accept in 2024, where Hezbollah was in disarray and Israel had free reign to bomb Lebanon and kill 400 Hezbollah members without a response.

 

[ShapurII]

Has Naim Qassem been killed?!

 

[BananaRepublic]

@Persian Gulf et al,

Is Tehran divided into four factions:

1. Pahlavi whores
2. Secular nationalists who are determined to go nuclear
3. Follow the Mullahs blindly
4. Liberals who want to accommodate the west and think Iran can still maintain sovereignty

Not sure whether number 1 or number 4 should be your worst enemy.

What’s the vote share of each group?

Am I right in thinking secular nationalists are the biggest group on PDF?

 

[Master Chief]

The agreement does not have to collapse. Iran can formally say, in light of ceasefire violations, the signing will be delayed for 2 weeks etc. Then Iran can decide if they want to militarily retaliate or not. Make this compliance issue Trumps problem as well, not just Iran's alone.

A good suggestion. In fact, Iran should play the same game Trump and Israel are playing.

It is not without evidence that plenty of commentators have suggested that Tel Aviv is not actually interested in peace (though i do firmly believe that Trump wants out of this mess). So, if Iran can survive economically, we may be seeing the commencement of a mixed cold/periodically kinetic war that could last many years.

 

[Shags101]

The agreement does not have to collapse. Iran can formally say, in light of ceasefire violations, the signing will be delayed for 2 weeks etc. Then Iran can decide if they want to militarily retaliate or not. Make this compliance issue Trumps problem as well, not just Iran's alone.

It won’t be two weeks unless the Israelis decide to prolong this I honestly believe tonight we are going to see one of the largest missile attacks since tp3 at least a hundred in several waves but if the Israelis decide to go back and forth might take a week or longer to sign those agreements

 

[BananaRepublic]

A good suggestion. In fact, Iran should play the same game Trump and Israel are playing.

It is not without evidence that plenty of commentators have suggested that Tel Aviv is not actually interested in peace (though i do firmly believe that Trump wants out of this mess). So, if Iran can survive economically, we may be seeing the commencement of a mixed cold/periodically kinetic war that could last many years.

Israel will only think of peace when it is forced to pay the price of war.

Whilst US protects Israel through military support and financial aid - Israel has no reason to make peace.

I will never understand why USA has a military alliance with a race that has no history of military strength.

That will be their downfall.

Jews aren’t a martial race.

 

[Musings]

This cockroach Netanyahu - out of control - needs to be taken out or locked up.

 

[Falcon29]

Iran's response won't be any different from last time. Hezbollah is in trouble and should at this point consider cooperating with Lebanese government to get some kind of arrangement where Israel withdraws.

Israel will not stop attacking Lebanon. The bigger question is it will respond to an Iranian token strike and if so what will it target in Iran and how will Iran respond.