Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Eşbah said:
Perhaps that is for the best, don't you think? People argued that Iran was reluctant to hit high-value targets in Israel because they feared a nuclear response. Turns out that the Iranian leadership deliberately spared important war assets even in neighbouring Arab countries like Bahrain. This was not due to a terrible 'target bank' as some people has been claiming ever since; they did it fully on purpose. Maybe Israel pushing Iran to fight is the better solution for Tehran in the longterm. Who knows?

The average neolib in the US claims that Iran has always won at the negotiating table and lost in a conflict which is a myth, propaganda. Throughout this on and off war the Iranian state gained the upper hand almost always when they decisively fought back.

This is why I always make it a point to explain to others that Turkey's forceful intervention in Northern Cyprus during the Cold War was a crucial moment in our post-WWII timeline, where we forged a credible deterrent in the eye of the White man and by extension Israel.
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Absolute top drawer perspective. Several very hard realities here that dilly dallyers need to be cognisant of.

This stand off between Iran and Israel will NOT END BY HALF MEASURES.

Now Iran may well choose to buy time, which nobody would criticise them for, but that will come at a cost - the cost may well be Hezbollah and arguably, the whole of Lebanon. This is a difficult choice to have to make.

Of course, the equation would change drastically if Arabs were to finally step up to the mark. But they have been successfully neutered over several decades.
 
Shags101 said:
I don’t think it’s going to be a 30 to 20 missiles salute this time they the Israelis to understand the equation has changed the Iranians will sign the agreement but it might take an extra few days
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Can Iran sign a peace deal MoU with USA only?

That way they can tag team with Hezbollah to pound the never chosen people.

God promised a covenant with Abraham’s eldest son.

On that basis, Jews aren’t the chosen people.

Gold also promised Abraham a great nation.

Great is defined as large and powerful.

At no point Jews have been large or powerful.

Again by definition and empirical facts - Jews aren’t the chosen people.
 
Master Chief said:
This stand off between Iran and Israel will NOT END BY HALF MEASURES.
Now Iran may well choose to buy time, which nobody would criticise them for, but that will come at a cost - the cost may well be Hezbollah and arguably, the whole of Lebanon. This is a difficult choice to have to make.
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It would be easier for me to wish that the war doesn't stop and keeps going to the point of at least causing major financial stress on Israel but then I am not there to risk my life. If the Iranians have the wherewithal to fight for a long time to keep inflicting the pain on Israel then that would be be best route for a long term peace in that region. Not my call. I can't be the armchair General.
But I don't think Lebanon is going anywhere: About a third of Lebanon is Shia Muslim and the Israelis would have to finish them off to take and hold onto southern Lebanon. However, total shame on the Sunni and the Christian Lebanese who would allow Israel to gobble up the prized land in southern Lebanon. That land is fertile!! Something Israel desperately needs in that parched region.
 
Shags101 said:
I think what the post is actually say Bibi hopes Iran responds to have the agreement to collapse
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The agreement does not have to collapse. Iran can formally say, in light of ceasefire violations, the signing will be delayed for 2 weeks etc. Then Iran can decide if they want to militarily retaliate or not. Make this compliance issue Trumps problem as well, not just Iran's alone.
 
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An Israeli site today reported that if the large numbers of the American jets stay at the Ben Gurion Airport then expect a large numbers of flights to/from Israel to be cancelled. The Americans are stationed in Israel and possibly in Cyprus because the American bases in the vicinity of Iran are either badly damaged or too susceptible to the Iranian strikes.
Israel's First World economy, its soft pampered population, its dual citizenship population makes Israel very susceptible to the economic shocks. The circumstances for Israel are untenable unless it totally defeats Iran. So why we can discuss the impacts of missiles and bombs from either sides, the advantage of resilience lies with Iran. Just like it did with the Vietnamese or the Afghans.
 
ShotErrorKh said:
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Watch them shoot 7 missiles and call it a day
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What do you want ? A resumption of this pointless war ? The only remaining issue left is the severely bruised Israeli / American egos and their attempt to have the final word and blow.
 
Ali_Baba said:
The agreement does not have to collapse. Iran can formally say, in light of ceasefire violations, the signing will be delayed for 2 weeks etc. Then Iran can decide if they want to militarily retaliate or not. Make this compliance issue Trumps problem as well, not just Iran's alone.
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very good strategy.
 
Watandar said:
What do you want ? A resumption of this pointless war ? The only remaining issues left is the severely bruised Israeli / American egos and their attempt to have the final word and blow.
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You aren’t going to change the outcome of this war through more bloodshed.

Objective was regime change and missiles.

Iran has kept both and added SoH and GCC poodles to the basket.

That’s not going to change even if Iran pounds Israel.
 
Hassan Al-Somal said:
This statement doesn't demand "Israeli" withdrawal from South Lebanon. And based on the "Israeli" and Lebanese govts' agreement - brokered by the US, this occupation of South Lebanon can only end when Hezbollah is disarmed.

Hezbollah, as a resistance group, doesn't want to accept this framework. They are, therefore, continuing the military pressure and keep hitting the Zionist occupying forces. "Israelis" on their part are now regarding every attack on their forces in South Lebanon as an attack on Northern "Israel". So they keep attacking Dahieh in order to derail the ceasefire and legitimize the occupation of South Lebanon.

At the end, it all depends on how far Iran is willing to push to ensure "Israel" withdrawal from South Lebanon.
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I agree, Israel will not withdraw without concessions from Hezbollah. But this is not realistic at this point. A full ceasefire on the current lines of control is a superior position than the ceasefire Hezbollah had to accept in 2024, where Hezbollah was in disarray and Israel had free reign to bomb Lebanon and kill 400 Hezbollah members without a response.
 
@Persian Gulf et al,

Is Tehran divided into four factions:

1. Pahlavi whores
2. Secular nationalists who are determined to go nuclear
3. Follow the Mullahs blindly
4. Liberals who want to accommodate the west and think Iran can still maintain sovereignty

Not sure whether number 1 or number 4 should be your worst enemy.

What’s the vote share of each group?

Am I right in thinking secular nationalists are the biggest group on PDF?
 
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