Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Mobius]

 

[VCheng]

Whatever has been agreed has been on an equal party basis

That can only be judged once what has been agreed upon is made known, and not before.

You may be right, but it is still premature to conclude that as of yet.

 

[maverick]

Dang! These iranians dont play around.

 

[Master Chief]

I assume it is difficult to become a fighter jet pilot in India and must require very high intelligence but to come up with the stupid ideas like Pakistan is a 'Trojan Horse' for the Americans betrays something terribly wrong even in the highly educated Indian brains. Before the attack on Iran began, General Bakshi was saying that Pakistan was going to facilitate an American attack on Iran from Baluchistan.
WTH!

Yes. It's almost as if they are projecting their own wildest dreams onto others. India genuinely wants to be a Trojan something or the other.

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

... Yes... Iran was pegged back but it drew way more than it lost.

The Taliban were so backward that they were living in the Stone Age. When the US started bombing them in 2001, they said, "Oh look, an upgrade."

Robin Williams

 

[TAC]

Just let this sink in: the terms are not known yet.

What is known is that Trump is desperate for a ‘deal’ while the Iranian’s are quite happy to drag it out and humiliate him some more. Also known is that Trumps biggest ‘victory’ from this ‘deal’ will be that he opened the Hormuz, which was open before he started ie achieved jack.
Given that the US has clearly no appetite for further military action, will they ever do that again given the Hormuz, GCC implications which are now well established? Based on this and the fact that so many credible / independent military analysts are concluding that the US lost, I would not suggest that this is a deal of equals. Iran has the upper hand and the US is desperate for a face saving off ramp. No way on earth Trump would have started this if he’d got enough brains to know he’d end up where he is today.

 

[ParthianLord]

Israel´s Knesset is going nuts , even many of Netanyahus allies are starting to throw him under the Bus , blame him for "Israels official first war loss since its creation" (well they kinda lost their last confrontation with Iran too, but managed to declare it a "Stalemate" in official listings, this time they cant)




Lol those hardcore US zionists are funny, those mark levin types, they always attacked congress/senate for trying to Limit Trump´s War powers,

now they beg to the same congress/senate to stop "Iran-US peace deal" from Trump.



Mark Levin / FOX used to attack anyone "Trust the President!" LoL !

 

[VCheng]

What is known is that Trump is desperate for a ‘deal’ while the Iranian’s are quite happy to drag it out and humiliate him some more. Also known is that Trumps biggest ‘victory’ from this ‘deal’ will be that he opened the Hormuz, which was open before he started ie achieved jack.
Given that the US has clearly no appetite for further military action, will they ever do that again given the Hormuz, GCC implications which are now well established? Based on this and the fact that so many credible / independent military analysts are concluding that the US lost, I would not suggest that this is a deal of equals. Iran has the upper hand and the US is desperate for a face saving off ramp. No way on earth Trump would have started this if he’d got enough brains to know he’d end up where he is today.

You are entitled to your views, but right now, I would wait to form an opinion until all the terms are made known.

 

[HAIDER]

Well well well. It seems Trump cannot even get Setanyahu to come to the table as expected.

Good news, US and EU will side step and ask him to deal with it and GCC and rest will grab popcorn.

 

[HAIDER]

anti govt demonstration ....public calling for revenge ...

 

[HAIDER]

Israel´s Knesset is going nuts , even many of Netanyahus allies are starting to throw him under the Bus , blame him for "Israels official first war loss since its creation" (well they kinda lost their last confrontation with Iran too, but managed to declare it a "Stalemate" in official listings, this time they cant)




Lol those hardcore US zionists are funny, those mark levin types, they always attacked congress/senate for trying to Limit Trump´s War powers,

now they beg to the same congress/senate to stop "Iran-US peace deal" from Trump.



Mark Levin / FOX used to attack anyone "Trust the President!" LoL !

Pentagon forced this deal, will open another thread, how this war help Russia and China analyze the US navel weaknesses by keeping eye on South China fleet and in case of Taiwan standoff.

 

[Ali_Baba]

I am happy to hear that this war is coming to an end, the people of Iran have demonstrated their strength and resolve through this conflict.

I hope that both Iran and USA have learnt, that they can and should start talking to each other directly on their relationship. While, there was not much common talking in this round, hopefully it should not be lost on either party that they can relay to each other their concerns and objectives and come to an agreement.

If Iran can get financial, economic and oil sanctions removed, then its economy will start to grow again, this has the potential for the Iranian and Pakistani economy to grow also as they are neighbors and the sanctions stopped a lot of normal and natural economic activity.

I am not sure how the next phase of talks will be structured and how much Pakistan will, or will not play a part relative to Qatar and others. But, Pakistan has achieved all of its strategic goals and outcomes with the MOU so regardless, Pakistan can be happy with where they are, regardless of the next steps or involvement.

Hope the next set of talks can successfully conclude and that the USA can enforce its part of the agreement on "its allies".

 

[Watandar]

What is known is that Trump is desperate for a ‘deal’ while the Iranian’s are quite happy to drag it out and humiliate him some more. Also known is that Trumps biggest ‘victory’ from this ‘deal’ will be that he opened the Hormuz, which was open before he started ie achieved jack.
Given that the US has clearly no appetite for further military action, will they ever do that again given the Hormuz, GCC implications which are now well established? Based on this and the fact that so many credible / independent military analysts are concluding that the US lost, I would not suggest that this is a deal of equals. Iran has the upper hand and the US is desperate for a face saving off ramp. No way on earth Trump would have started this if he’d got enough brains to know he’d end up where he is today.

I expect the US/Israel and the GCC to go back to the drawing board and come up with new attack vectors for a future Iran war. It will take them another 10 to 15 years I estimate to fully neuter the current problems of defense against Iranian missile/drones and alternatives to Strait of Hormuz.

In the meantime I expect them to go quiet for now and then slowly resume their campaign of subterfuge against Iran involving propaganda, internal insurgencies/assassinations and economic damage.

The Israelis are the greatest danger as their doctrine is eternal offense, domination and annihilation of any perceived challenger. Those wackos may start some new attack even next year and seek to once again drag the US/GCC into it.

I also don't believe every problem in the world has military solutions so Iranians need to be smart and use all the tools of statecraft, not just military.

 

[lightning f57]

I am happy to hear that this war is coming to an end, the people of Iran have demonstrated their strength and resolve through this conflict.

I hope that both Iran and USA have learnt, that they can and should start talking to each other directly on their relationship. While, there was not much common talking in this round, hopefully it should not be lost on either party that they can relay to each other their concerns and objectives and come to an agreement.

If Iran can get financial, economic and oil sanctions removed, then its economy will start to grow again, this has the potential for the Iranian and Pakistani economy to grow also as they are neighbors and the sanctions stopped a lot of normal and natural economic activity.

I am not sure how the next phase of talks will be structured and how much Pakistan will, or will not play a part relative to Qatar and others. But, Pakistan has achieved all of its strategic goals and outcomes with the MOU so regardless, Pakistan can be happy with where they are, regardless of the next steps or involvement.

Hope the next set of talks can successfully conclude and that the USA can enforce its part of the agreement on "its allies".

Imagine Iran and US trading openly both countries would benefit monumentally plus the neighbouring countries like Pak.

 

[Kyussis]

U.S media is owned by Zionists, Lock, stock and barrel. Why would they out themselves?