Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[delta2]

The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.

He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever

He says, "Be", and it is!

 

[BananaRepublic]

Trump is suddenly in love with the Aye-ranians ??

Pure coping by Trump.

Trump knows he has lost so wants to move on fast.

He can say he has replaced the old guard with new leadership.

His cult will swallow it up.

Especially since his cult now hates Pisrael.

 

[BananaRepublic]

You were using a different ID in this forum then but I recall you were one of those few ones in the Gaza war thread from Oct. 2023 onward who agreed with me that Trump was going to be even worse on the Middle East than Biden was or Harris would be.
Yes, I am still bitter about how people, specially the educated expats living in America, didn't have basic understanding of the American politics. Hopefully, now they know more.

Only idiots thought Trump would be better for Muslims - given his history and his acquaintances.

 

[Meengla]

Even if it’s temporary pause for both sides to re-arm. Iran will do it again launch drones missiles at ships close the Hormuz straits sending shipping costs soaring crashing global economy the 2nd time: You need boots on ground to stop the above doubtful US would win even with with boots on the ground, or if any victory would be worth it at that cost. I honestly do believe Americans have capitulated here and will not repeat this fiasco again.

Right.
Around the time this war was started, I had posted in this thread that if the Iranians fight as one nation, then they would come out ahead. And they have.
In this war, to make the Iranians capitulate would require only three routes:
1) Choking their economy until they imploded and had a civil war
2) Carpet bombing with heavy bombers for a long time and widespread area
3) Multiple nukes.

None of those options were practical. #1: Iran continued to have connections with the outside world and when Pakistan opened six trade routes to/from Iran, I understood that it was with the American blessings. #2: Huge risks of the American jets downed and prisoners taken and thus a repeat of Carter's Presidency. #3: Impossible, especially considering Iran was never a direct threat to America.

 

[Eşbah]

I wish the best for Iran and hope for an economic revival of historic dimensions. However, I bet my bottom dollar that the stupid leadership in Tehran will not prioritise trade with its neighbors.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Where the hell is Bangladesh!

Hey! Tareq! Get off your backside!

Send our best Hilsa to Asim Munir.

 

[Meengla]

If you listen to the actual statements of senior Iranian officials and their actual propaganda channels, their narrative is much more nuanced and indeed, makes abundantly clear that there is a class of Americans that Iranians see eye to eye with. Their leadership is routinely on record as having stated that tax paying American citizens are not blameworthy for the ills of the Israeli lobby that moves in the circles of power in Washington DC.
The actual discourse is far more selective and rational than you give it credit for and this is either disingenuous on your part, as you know full well the nature of these matters, or it is an entirely excusable lack of awareness of the reality because of what certain media channels are spoonfeeding Americans on a daily basis since 1948.

"Disingenuous" is the right word.
Even if the Iranians were to sing the American anthem daily on the streets of Tehran and wave American flags, it would not move the needle as far as the American policy on Iran was concerned. The American policy on Iran was certainly because of Iran's regional policies since 1979, especially for Palestine and against Israel. No songs for America on the streets of Tehran would make a damn difference!

 

[Shags101]

Right.
Around the time this war was started, I had posted in this thread that if the Iranians fight as one nation, then they would come out ahead. And they have.
In this war, to make the Iranians capitulate would require only three routes:
1) Choking their economy until they imploded and had a civil war
2) Carpet bombing with heavy bombers for a long time and widespread area
3) Multiple nukes.

None of those options were practical. #1: Iran continued to have connections with the outside world and when Pakistan opened six trade routes to/from Iran, I understood that it was with the American blessings. #2: Huge risks of the American jets downed and prisoners taken and thus a repeat of Carter's Presidency. #3: Impossible, especially considering Iran was never a direct threat to America.

Honestly the more you hear the Israelis crying about the deal the more it’s starting to sound like a win they are even talking about an Iran having enrichment still under this agreement…..so what the hell was this war for you know what it is for absolutely nothing as the song goes

 

[BananaRepublic]

I’m

do not ignore the UAE, these bastards also might join the next round. No way this Iran-Israel Business is finished.

Iran-Israel may not be dead.
But USA definitely not coming back unless SoH is closed.

Iran should not close SoH unless USA gets involved again.

If any Arab country allows their airspace to be used - blow them up.

 

[KAL-EL]

Only idiots thought Trump would be better for Muslims - given his history and his acquaintances.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss

 

[Meengla]

Honestly the more you hear the Israelis crying about the deal the more it’s starting to sound like a win they are even talking about an Iran having enrichment still under this agreement…..so what the hell was this war for you know what it is for absolutely nothing as the song goes

Make no mistake: This is a strategic defeat of Israel. They and their agents in America are crying a lot for some good reasons.

 

[Shags101]

I wish the best for Iran and hope for an economic revival of historic dimensions. However, I bet my bottom dollar that the stupid leadership in Tehran will not prioritise trade with its neighbors.

Problem is I think quite a few of these countries need to be upfront and apologize to Iran for backing this war so honestly the stupidity lays with those nations that backed Bibi and Trump loss hundreds of billions of dollars directly and indirectly just to have Iran standing but yes I really hope once these closed door meetings occur between Iran and these countries hopefully things will become better but damn out of all them UAE needs to be judged they actually fought alongside the Israelis

 

[Watandar]

Only idiots thought Trump would be better for Muslims - given his history and his acquaintances.

True, but I know a LOT of smart people, Pakistanis, Arabs and Americans who were so disgusted with Biden's Gaza genocide that they simply could not hold their nose and vote for the Dems again. And I understood where they were coming from. Unfortunately many of them voted for Trump, pointing to his first term and repeating the "no new wars" mantra.

 

[Shags101]

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Well that’s not a good sign I didn’t know he went on a show that was anti Israel

Vance on right-wing Israel critic's show: U.S-Iran deal includes Israel and Lebanon​

U.S. Vice President JD Vance said that the U.S.-Iran memorandum of understanding is "a regional peace deal. It's going to include the Gulf, include Israel, include Lebanon."

U.S. Vice President JD Vance at Joint Base Andrews, Maryland, United States, May. Credit: Matt Rourke/ REUTERS
The vice president made the comments on the Megyn Kelly show, hosted by one of the most notable critics of Israel on the American right.

"It's always delicate with these things," Vance said on the issue of Lebanon. "It's been clear that it's a dirty cease-fire, some shooting back and forth. There's way less shooting now than there was 2 weeks ago. There was less shooting two weeks ago than there was before. Sometimes a ceasefire means they're just shooting less. That's the progress, then you move to the next stage."

On the question of why the agreement's text has not yet been published, Vance said, "There are some delicate diplomatic things going on where the Iranians, some of our mediators – the Pakistanis and the Qataris – have asked us to sequence this in the right way. I don't frankly fully understand it, but there are sensitivities in the Arab and Muslim world that were trying to be responsive to. Does it really matter if the deal comes out Wednesday vs. Friday?"

 

[BananaRepublic]

Trump is genuinely pissed at Israel. This alone must go some of the way towards explaining several of his statements today, including my personal favourite:

"Without the United States, there would be no Israel. Without me, there would be no Israel, because no other president was willing to do what I did".

(That second part by the way is exactly what @Meengla has been saying on this thread for weeks - makes me wonder if Trump is watching!).

Then for Trump to claim that "I never cared about regime change in Iran" is a pretty tough pill for Bibi to swallow.

Israel has emerged a "liability" at best, and at worst, "a saboteur" of American interests. This harm to their political capital is a big issue for them, no matter what frontline gains they have made in Lebanon or against Iranian nuclear ambitions.

Iran's absolute best strategy in the decade to come is to continue an informational war against the Israeli narrative in the west. It's time for Americans to wake up and clearly state that Israel no longer gets a carte blanche to do as it pleases.

Bro!

There’s a reason why Jews have failed miserably at statecraft in their 3000+ year history.

No Jewish state has made it to 100 years. And they claim to be the “chosen people”.

They pissed off the Roman Empire, Persian empire, British Empire and now the American empire.

Untrustworthy and treacherous bunch.