Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

Lifting the sanctions and letting Iran trade its oil in open market is huge

There will be no lifting of sanctions before signing the final deal. This deal only says that lifting of sanctions will be done once a final deal has been reached. So, as of now, Iran is getting no money.

$8 billion+ in oil sales in two months through sanctions relief (Iran did not get full sanctions relief for oil and petrochemical exports prior to the war)

some assets will be unfrozen too. the MOU is vague on it, but as Trump said, the understandings they have beyond the MOU are more important, and I am sure one of those understandings relates to frozen assets. Trump even said today that it's Iran's money, so of course they have to give it back.

$8 billion in oil sales that Iran cannot get its hands on before lifting of the sanctions. So, no cash money will enter Iran. Iran needs cash.

We were told that Iran will get $12 billion in cash once it signs the deal, and another $12 billion will be given to Iran once Iran honors its end of the bargain in the 60 days. No such thing is going to happen, it seems.

One thing I have noticed is that Iranian currency hasn't appreciated against USD after signing this MoU, which could mean that Iranian assets are not going to be unfrozen soon, it seems.

Trump, for better or worse, has realised this was a mistake. We all poke fun at him but at least his senile mind finally understood the gravity of the situation. He is a businessman and he took the best deal on the table and cut his losses and he is out. He is not a stateman who is going to still stand shoulder to shoulder with Israel. The opportunity is lost and has no more dividends to give. I would not be surprised if the US opens up its embassy in Tehran at the conclusion of these deals and integrate itself with the Iranian economy which is going to be many folds larger than Israel with a much larger and hungrier population presenting a massive market and it would prove to be more enticing if the sanctions are lifted properly.

The immediate winner here is Iran, the winner down the track could be the US, the heroes on the sides are GCC, Pakistan, Egypt, and Turkey, and the absolute loser is Israel.

One thing that should stand out from all of this.....it is by the will of Allah we are witnessing this. Iran was the only country that stood tall in front of tyranny and opression and war was thrust upon it. Yet, here we are....for all to witness. Allah has given Iran an unbelievable victory.

You are way too optimistic.

 

[Watandar]

I read this was already in the works. That Pakistan is going to fast track the completion of the pipeline now that this is done.

I hope so. The Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline would be one of those rare win-win projects.

 

[Viet]

This is what many people do not realize. The USA's submarine fleet is unmatched, in a league of its own. It is truly a power given to the USA by Allah Almighty!

Trump realizes he can’t win the war. Putin knows he can’t win the war. having overwhelming firepower is too little win if the opponents are military capable and willing to fight until death.

 

[Lulldapull]

Gents trumps just surrendered so bad it’s not even funny anymore.

It’s goin have to be the US tax payers to foot the bills here no?

Where the hell else would the $300 billion come from?

Irans driving a hard bargain no?

Even if trump beats all them GCC camel jaakys with a baseball bat till near death to puss n blood……they’re just not going to cough it up cuz they didn’t start this war.

That maany goin have to be paid up by the Israelis and the Americans.

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[Hayabusa]

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A rare sane Israeli.

This is controversial, but it needs to be said: many Israelis are reacting to the US-Iran MOU with an unbelievable degree of immaturity.

Trump is being portrayed as a traitor, a flip-flopper, a man who abandoned Israel. Newspapers are putting headlines on the front page about how he is no longer a friend. Journalists who proudly posted photos of themselves interviewing him are now putting Xs over those pictures.

But let's look at what actually happened: Trump went to war expecting a certain outcome and when that outcome did not materialize he made a decision to cut his losses and do what he believes serves America's interests: to end the war now, under terms that many of us wish were stronger and more favorable.

By the way, it was always obvious that the war had a narrow window and was not going to carry on into the summer with the World Cup and the 250th coming on July 4.

Everyone is allowed to disagree with the deal and think it's flawed (I definitely do). You can also argue that it leaves dangerous questions unanswered about uranium, missiles, and Iran's support for terrorism.

But Trump's decision was never about Israel's interests alone. It was about America's interests.

These critics need to get over the shock of what Trump did. Their problem was thinking (why, God only knows) that every decision Trump makes is guided primarily by what is best for Israel. What happened is something else - these people fundamentally misunderstood how the relationship with the US works. Now they have learned.

 

[Psyko70]

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Not siding with Americans, just want to make sure records are straight.

I do agree I remember when war started Pentagon was not really thinking pehlvi was right choice.

Trump expresses doubts over exiled Iranian crown prince Reza Pahlavi

Trump has so far not identified who he believes might lead Iran after the death of its supreme leader.

www.bbc.com

 

[Fatman17]

 

[Aziqbal]

I still can’t believe what Ian has achieved

 

[Bahrami]

Congratulations to all brothers and sisters who went trough this challenging times with all Iranians on the planet.


While it is still too early to confirm, we can at least already see signs of our victory over the west and the full acceptance of iranian independence, as predicted by man like Seyyed Ali Khamanei.

 

[Flotilla]

Israel can rely on jew diaspora for money. Every small or medium country try to have a protector. See the pakistan case : you now rely heavily on china.

Genocide : how would you react after 1200 of your civilians were killed, some after tortures and rapes ? (it was the Sinwar plan to provoke a hard israel reaction. He was right. But he was wrong when he thought the arabs neighbors will react). Now I can't understand why you may imagine we the french, or me specially, can love a massacre.

Most of the 1200 were killed by own israelis after using Hannibal Directive.
Stop spreading lies.

 

[Persian Gulf]

It will end up as JCPOA 2.0.

No toll, $300B is a gimmick (investment not a reparation).

Still not bad for Iran.

Yes, now Trump is even starting to soften the public to accept Iranian enrichment:

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He accepts Iranian missiles, access to frozen funds, reconstruction funds, dilution of highly enriched uranium inside Iran, and enrichment. Now a deal is very possible

 

[ShapurII]

Yes, now Trump is even starting to soften the public to accept Iranian enrichment:

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He accepts Iranian missiles, access to frozen funds, reconstruction funds, dilution of highly enriched uranium inside Iran, and enrichment. Now a deal is very possible

And you buy that? Are you guys going to fall for his lies for the third time in less than 18 months? Seriously?

Meanwhile, the Iranian currency shows absolutely no reaction to the news of signing the MoU. In fact, the USD has slightly appreciated against IRT today. This means that Iran has received no cash.

 

[Persian Gulf]

And you buy that? Are you guys going to fall for his lies for the third time in less than 18 months? Seriously?

Meanwhile, the Iranian currency shows absolutely no reaction to the news of signing the MoU. In fact, the USD has slightly appreciated against IRT today. This means that Iran has received no cash.

It was just signed today, Iran is already exporting oil again and it seems the assets will be unfrozen gradually

There is a clear shift in Trump’s rhetoric now as he tries to defend this deal publicly, I don’t recall that he ever explicitly said Iran can have missiles or enrich uranium before.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[ShapurII]

It was just signed today, Iran is already exporting oil again and it seems the assets will be unfrozen gradually

There is a clear shift in Trump’s rhetoric now as he tries to defend this deal publicly, I don’t recall that he ever explicitly said Iran can have missiles or enrich uranium before.

As I said, we're exporting oil again but the money will not be given to us before the sanctions are lifted, which isn't going to happen during this MoU. So, technically, we haven't received any cash and our currency is still in a terrible condition.

Don't you remember how he said the US companies would invest billions in Iran after the deal before last year's attack? And Israel attacked us just 2 days before our delegation was supposed to meet Witkoff in Oman.

He's just playing with us. That's what he does, and he enjoys it. The Israeli frustration with him is all part of the plan. The Israelis also said the same things before last year's June attack. I can't believe you guys have forgotten it so fast!