Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Hayabusa]

A rare sane Israeli.

This is controversial, but it needs to be said: many Israelis are reacting to the US-Iran MOU with an unbelievable degree of immaturity.

Trump is being portrayed as a traitor, a flip-flopper, a man who abandoned Israel. Newspapers are putting headlines on the front page about how he is no longer a friend. Journalists who proudly posted photos of themselves interviewing him are now putting Xs over those pictures.

But let's look at what actually happened: Trump went to war expecting a certain outcome and when that outcome did not materialize he made a decision to cut his losses and do what he believes serves America's interests: to end the war now, under terms that many of us wish were stronger and more favorable.

By the way, it was always obvious that the war had a narrow window and was not going to carry on into the summer with the World Cup and the 250th coming on July 4.

Everyone is allowed to disagree with the deal and think it's flawed (I definitely do). You can also argue that it leaves dangerous questions unanswered about uranium, missiles, and Iran's support for terrorism.

But Trump's decision was never about Israel's interests alone. It was about America's interests.

These critics need to get over the shock of what Trump did. Their problem was thinking (why, God only knows) that every decision Trump makes is guided primarily by what is best for Israel. What happened is something else - these people fundamentally misunderstood how the relationship with the US works. Now they have learned.

 

[Psyko70]

Not siding with Americans, just want to make sure records are straight.

I do agree I remember when war started Pentagon was not really thinking pehlvi was right choice.

Trump expresses doubts over exiled Iranian crown prince Reza Pahlavi

Trump has so far not identified who he believes might lead Iran after the death of its supreme leader.

www.bbc.com

 

[Fatman17]

 

[Aziqbal]

I still can’t believe what Ian has achieved

 

[Bahrami]

Congratulations to all brothers and sisters who went trough this challenging times with all Iranians on the planet.


While it is still too early to confirm, we can at least already see signs of our victory over the west and the full acceptance of iranian independence, as predicted by man like Seyyed Ali Khamanei.

 

[Flotilla]

Israel can rely on jew diaspora for money. Every small or medium country try to have a protector. See the pakistan case : you now rely heavily on china.

Genocide : how would you react after 1200 of your civilians were killed, some after tortures and rapes ? (it was the Sinwar plan to provoke a hard israel reaction. He was right. But he was wrong when he thought the arabs neighbors will react). Now I can't understand why you may imagine we the french, or me specially, can love a massacre.

Most of the 1200 were killed by own israelis after using Hannibal Directive.
Stop spreading lies.

 

[Persian Gulf]

It will end up as JCPOA 2.0.

No toll, $300B is a gimmick (investment not a reparation).

Still not bad for Iran.

Yes, now Trump is even starting to soften the public to accept Iranian enrichment:



He accepts Iranian missiles, access to frozen funds, reconstruction funds, dilution of highly enriched uranium inside Iran, and enrichment. Now a deal is very possible

 

[ShapurII]

Yes, now Trump is even starting to soften the public to accept Iranian enrichment:



He accepts Iranian missiles, access to frozen funds, reconstruction funds, dilution of highly enriched uranium inside Iran, and enrichment. Now a deal is very possible

And you buy that? Are you guys going to fall for his lies for the third time in less than 18 months? Seriously?

Meanwhile, the Iranian currency shows absolutely no reaction to the news of signing the MoU. In fact, the USD has slightly appreciated against IRT today. This means that Iran has received no cash.

 

[Persian Gulf]

And you buy that? Are you guys going to fall for his lies for the third time in less than 18 months? Seriously?

Meanwhile, the Iranian currency shows absolutely no reaction to the news of signing the MoU. In fact, the USD has slightly appreciated against IRT today. This means that Iran has received no cash.

It was just signed today, Iran is already exporting oil again and it seems the assets will be unfrozen gradually

There is a clear shift in Trump’s rhetoric now as he tries to defend this deal publicly, I don’t recall that he ever explicitly said Iran can have missiles or enrich uranium before.

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[ShapurII]

It was just signed today, Iran is already exporting oil again and it seems the assets will be unfrozen gradually

There is a clear shift in Trump’s rhetoric now as he tries to defend this deal publicly, I don’t recall that he ever explicitly said Iran can have missiles or enrich uranium before.

As I said, we're exporting oil again but the money will not be given to us before the sanctions are lifted, which isn't going to happen during this MoU. So, technically, we haven't received any cash and our currency is still in a terrible condition.

Don't you remember how he said the US companies would invest billions in Iran after the deal before last year's attack? And Israel attacked us just 2 days before our delegation was supposed to meet Witkoff in Oman.

He's just playing with us. That's what he does, and he enjoys it. The Israeli frustration with him is all part of the plan. The Israelis also said the same things before last year's June attack. I can't believe you guys have forgotten it so fast!

 

[Persian Gulf]

As I said, we're exporting oil again but the money will not be given to us before the sanctions are lifted, which isn't going to happen during this MoU. So, technically, we haven't received any cash and our currency is still in a terrible condition.

Read the MOU on this point again

At worst we can use that money from oil exports to fund imports from China

 

[BonPlan]

Most of the 1200 were killed by own israelis after using Hannibal Directive.
Stop spreading lies.

give sources please.

the hannibal directive was made to prevent soldiers to be taken. Soldiers, not civilians.

What do you think of the pic and films taken by Hamas itself about these 1200 ?

 

[ShapurII]

Read the MOU on this point again

At worst we can use that money from oil exports to fund imports from China

I will quote Ghalibaf verbatim:

پول‌های بلوکه شده ایران باید در حساب‌های ما و در اختیار بانک مرکزی قرار گیرد. خط اعتباری یعنی بانک مرکزی می‌تواند هر لحظه برای هر کس خواست، ال سی باز کند

ایران پول‌های بلوکه شده را دریافت خواهد کرد؛ اما این به معنای این نیست که پلت پول بیاوریم. این پول اما باید در اختیار ایران باشد​

Basically, Iran is not going to get any cash, but we will be able to open new credit lines in foreign banks to import goods. So, nothing has changed for us. This isn't good for Iran. Ghalibaf said we would receive $12 billion in cash after signing the deal. This is why USDT is not going down.

 

[BonPlan]

Meanwhile, the Iranian currency shows absolutely no reaction to the news of signing the MoU. In fact, the USD has slightly appreciated against IRT today. This means that Iran has received no cash.

The "deal" was inked by Trump yesterday evening ! It takes some time to defreeze funds, no?