Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[VCheng]

You are not prepared to answer specific questions about that memo in relation / comparison to the Obama accord so what’s the point asking them repeatedly? You are in cope mode, best of luck with that.

Please read this previous post of mine and comprehend it before asking questions:

Sir, what we have thus far is a transcript of what officials of both Iran and USA read to media reporters. For example, just look at the order of the two countries at the very beginning: they are different depending on who transcribed them.

I agree that there is no doubt as to the framework described in the MoU has been agreed upon by both countries, and that it is great step in stopping the war. But all the key details and issues regarding the stepwise implementation of every agreed upon will be negotiated in the next 60 days.

Without going into details at this point, as a preview, please note that in the reported document, many significant terms are only implied. Who are the "allies"? Yes, Israel is easy to guess, but what about the Iranian allies? If any of these allies stage an attack, what will happen to the agreement? Who will be "regional partners" putting up the $300 billion investments and under what terms and conditions? What will be mechanism of enforcement of the "applicable international law" after "discussion with Oman and other littoral States" after the initial 60 period for transit of the SoH? How is the "proximity of Iran" defined as, beyond which US forces will withdraw after 30 days?

Obviously, there is still much to be clarified over the next 60 days that will greatly affect the outcome of what has been described.

The best thing that has been made clear thus far is that both sides have agreed to change the adversarial nature of their relationship resulting in direct conflict into a defined transactional relationship where mutually agreed upon steps lead to stepwise improvements.

As I previously mentioned, both sides have to be able to sell this framework to their respective internal audiences. In the meantime, there is cessation of hostilities, opening of transit, and a commitment to finalize the real details.

That is all good, thus far, for both sides.

And at risk of yet more ire from @Musings , some things may still take some time to understand. I will patiently wait and see. Of course, anyone wishing to rush to judgement prematurely is most welcome to do so, freely.

 

[TAC]

Please wake up.

The MoU has indeed happened thus far. I have mentioned that many times, as have many others.

The MoU has done three things: ceased the hostitlties, opened the SoH, and waived the sanctions.

The rest is still being negotiated.

O so I must have just dreamt everything like all orange idiots numerous threats and humiliating climb downs, everything he has now offered Iran for NOTHING more than what he already had but threw away in the Obama Accord. Now reduced to turning on his demonic Israeli pals and praising Iranian leadership, all my dreams right, none of that has happened has it?

 

[VCheng]

everything he has now offered Iran for NOTHING more than what he already had

And what exactly is that what has been offered? Or what Iran has agreed to do on its side?

Those are the things that will be in the final deal.

And if no one knows that, then how can anyone judge it as you insist on doing?

 

[BHAN85]

Vance is really taking it to the Israelis lol. His message to Netanyahu is "SHUT UP ABOUT THE IRAN DEAL".

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How AIPAC is allowing that?

 

[Persian Gulf]

Iraqi militias didn't do much. Hezbollah showed up, but to be fair, they couldn't achieve much against Israel either. In fact, if anything, they are another headache for us now because we have to ensure that the ceasefire extends to them as well.

It is another proof of why Iran's policy of arming militias to contain Israel was a bad investment.

Iraqis did a LOT, relative to their size. 20+ drone strikes every day. and from day one, zero hesitation.

a lot of the hits in KSA were from Iraqi drones.

 

[BHAN85]

Who is assuming? It’s as obvious as a very fat elephant in a very tiny room and if someone was still too blind to see it suggest they read the MOU with braille.

A very fat elephant are USA refuelers in Ben Gurion airport.

USA is only removing 20% of them

Why they keep the other 80%?

US said moving 20% of its refuelers from Ben Gurion Airport, easing travel pressure

Presence of 72 American aircraft in recent months is crowding out civilian planes at Tel Aviv’s international airport, threatening to ground 2.4 million summer travelers

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Shags101]

Iraqis did a LOT, relative to their size. 20+ drone strikes every day. and from day one, zero hesitation.

a lot of the hits in KSA were from Iraqi drones.

At one time I f felt like they were putting out more videos from those FPV when they were hitting Americas bases nonstop

 

[hussain0216]

I still can’t believe what Ian has achieved

Whose Ian????? .

 

[TAC]

A very fat elephant are USA refuelers in Ben Gurion airport.

USA is only removing 20% of them

Why they keep the other 80%?

US said moving 20% of its refuelers from Ben Gurion Airport, easing travel pressure

Presence of 72 American aircraft in recent months is crowding out civilian planes at Tel Aviv’s international airport, threatening to ground 2.4 million summer travelers

www.timesofisrael.com

To keep the threat there. A threat they won’t follow through on unless they fancy the Hormuz closed again & Iran knows it.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Vance is really taking it to the Israelis lol. His message to Netanyahu is "SHUT UP ABOUT THE IRAN DEAL".

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Technically they are a country of 7million, as 2 million are palestinans who do not have equal rights to the majority, ie an aparthied state! But - I am splitting hairs here.

 

[maxpane]

Biggest loser is israel . lost ww2 genocide propaganda. lost all the hype it has created. now there is a difference betwwen usa israel ..Arab countries dnt trust them after Qatar attack.

 

[Arash]

Unlike you, I feel much better now that I've given up all hope.

You live in France?

 

[TAC]

Bowen: US-Iran deal raises inescapable question of what the war was for

While the human cost is clear, the Iranian regime has not just survived the war, it has been empowered.

www.bbc.co.uk

Another one being ‘premature’ when nothing has actually happened yet lol

 

[Arash]

I don't get why the tomb of Esther even exists in Iran. We should bulldoze it for good. She conspired against our establishment and is responsible for the massacre of our soldiers.

70000 Persians died at the hand of her cultists. Her remains should be in a public restroom.

 

[hussain0216]

Now that the MoU is signed. I do expect strongly there will atleast be another Round with Iran and Israel. Israel will never accept this deal. However i think US is done now.

Iran needs to plan very very smart now

Because Israel and U.S will rearm and Iran needs to try and match that pace

I don't know how and when sanctions will end or what the full deal is

But Iran needs to get it's missile and drone production back to full capacity ASAP

Iran needs to ink military deals with China/Russia for A.D

And it needs to learn the lessons of the conflict,
What worked
What failed
Which missiles and drones were most effective
And what were they missing the most


Israel feels vulnerable, they were confident under U.S and western Shadow, freely committing atrocities

But the world is changing and Israel sees culture enemies around it with it's reputation in tatters across the world

This will make the Israelis more extreme then ever and they will plot and prepare to harm iran

They have another upcoming battle for southern Syria and the Golan, but that's for Syria/Turkey and the Arabs to deal with