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[Viet]

The answer is money.

Money for corrupt vassal élites who take decisions, not for their people who are more impoverished every day

The Kremlin Never Learns – Paul Craig Roberts

Here another source confirming that simple domination scheme over Europe elites

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Of course it's only the 0.1% upper part of state.

The rest 99.99% are useful idiots who must be persuaded through emotions and lies, creating narratives.

That’s old story. The US under Trump now squeezes every penny out of friends and allies. MAGA means every dollar goes to America, nothing goes to friends. The minus: the US will never win a war again.

 

[ghazi52]

Trump says Pakistan 'really helped us' with Iran deal​

News Desk
June 20, 2026



US resident Donald Trump delivers a speech as he stands in front of the VC-25B aircraft gifted by Qatar that will be used as Air Force One, at Joint Base Andrews, Maryland, US on June 19, 2026. — Reuters

United States President Donald Trump has said that Pakistan “really helped” Washington with the memorandum of understanding (MoU) with Iran.

He made the remarks during an interview with American news outlet Axios. During the interview, the US president was asked about which global leaders he “liked”.

In addition to Chinese President Xi Jinping, Chinese President Xi Jinping, Trump talked about Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, before mentioning Pakistan’s leadership.

“In Pakistan, you have the field marshal, who is great. Munir, he’s great. And you have the prime minister, and they just get along great … He totally respects the prime minister. It’s a beautiful thing to see,” he said, talking about Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif and Chief of Defence Forces and Chief of Army Staff Field Marshal Asim Munir.

“But they really helped us with this deal. They knew the Iranians, they knew the people and they were good,” he said.

 

[BananaRepublic]

You just need to get involved with Israel and you'll see how everything will be fine. Otherwise, you'll have a very hot Fourth of July.

They cannot help themselves.

Christianity was built on the Judeo alternative facts.

If judeo falls so do they.

 

[ShapurII]

What you said in your post ONLY holds true IF the white european races remain the most technologically and scientifically advanced race on the planet. What happens if the Chinese become the most scientifically and technologically advanced race on earth which is looking more and more likely? Would you refuse to work with them because they are East Asian and not white european?

Wake me up when the Chinese have become the most scientifically and technologically "advanced race" on the earth. It may eventually happen, or not. Nobody knows what can happen 20 years later with the rise of AI and all. But it is not something that would happen in the next 5-10 years.

Also, it's not a dichotomy. If the Chinese become the most technologically advanced country on the planet, it doesn't mean that the US and Europe will disappear or cease to exist, or turn into Africa suddenly.

The Chinese have proven to be unreliable partners. They can be the most scientifically and technologically advanced race or whatever, as long as they do not have strong partnerships and alliances like the US does, they will fail to replace the United States. And I do not see that changing any time soon.

 

[Pakistan First]

“In Pakistan, you have the field marshal, who is great. Munir, he’s great. And you have the prime minister, and they just get along great … He totally respects the prime minister. It’s a beautiful thing to see,” he said, talking about Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif and Chief of Defence Forces and Chief of Army Staff Field Marshal Asim Munir.

This is interesting.

Trump knows exactly that in Pakistan the establishment (Army) has ultimate control and final say. Its also interesting that he said PM and field marshal "get along great". He knows that this is important in Pakistan because if they don't get along then that PM would be imprisoned. Also note that Trump used to make same remarks about former PM Imran khan. That he deeply respect him and he's great and all that. Trump loves power. So whoever is in power is his friend automatically.

 

[MS Sandhu]

I respectfully disagree. Turkey is currently playing this role. In fact, if you listen to Robert Baer about the Middle East before the Arab Spring started, he mentioned that Arabs, particularly Saudi Arabia, had failed to contain Iran in the Middle East and the US had to switch to Turkey to contain Iran's growing influence. And if you see what has happened after 2010 in the Middle East, you will clearly notice a very strong pattern where Turkey has constantly played that role for the US in the Middle East. And Turkey has 90 million people just like us. So, this idea that the US doesn't have such interests is a false premise.


You guys keep changing your list. One day you say the next in the list is Turkey, the other day you say it's Russia. Russia has over 6,000 nuclear and hypersonic warheads capable of reaching Europe and the US, including strategic nuclear warheads over 50 megatons to defend its sovereignty. I don't think Russia needs Iran, unfortunately. Why unfortunately? Because I would pay good money to see the Russians fall after betraying all of their friends, but it's not going to happen.


Nonsense. I am yet to see direct Chinese military assistance in any meaningful way whatsoever. Chinese military assistance has always been limited to indirect import of military chips and components, or raw materials like ammonium perchlorate when Iran was forced to quickly expand its production rate of solid-fueled missiles. The Europeans also have done that for us for decades. As I said, our entire nuclear weapons program was based on European components imported clandestinely.


I didn't compare China in different periods in terms of its own development. Needless to say, it is evident that China has developed itself into a major power in the last 2 decades. But it is absolutely comparable in terms of its business with Iran. If anything, China-Iran relations in early 2000s was miles ahead of our situation in 2026.


I don't think the US public opinion is that important. I don't consider the US to be a functioning democracy anymore. A country where over 30% of the wealth is hoarded by less than 2% of the society cannot be a real democracy.


Again, that's a false premise. Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, the Emirates, Qatar, they all have benefitted from working with the United States. Republic of Azerbaijan has close ties with Israel and they finally took back their lands from Armenia with the help of Israel and the US. The idea that the US is inherently evil and anti-Muslim is a false premise as there are multiple examples right next to us who maintain amicable relations with the US.

From my limited exposure to outside world, i have come to strong belief that one should care about one's own personal/national interests even if that means great alignment with Non-muslim nations/people.
Muslimism/non-muslimism concept exist only in minds of some crazy people.When you are doing business with the world, only dollars come first for every one.
An Anti Iran America doesn't mean Anti Muslim America. Anti-Iran Israel can be greatly pro-azerbaijan Israel.
People and Countries shape their behaviours according to circumstances they go through so react differently to different circumstances.

 

[Arash]

Mel Gibson ??????

 

[MS Sandhu]

The Chinese have proven to be unreliable partners. They can be the most scientifically and technologically advanced race or whatever, as long as they do not have strong partnerships and alliances like the US does, they will fail to replace the United States. And I do not see that changing any time soon

US makes and dumps the partnerships for their own needs,not out of courtesy.
If you think Iran can offer US something Israel can't, then welcome to hood. Do their dirty work and they will reward you.

 

[Arash]

They'll derail everything

 

[BananaRepublic]

Wake me up when the Chinese have become the most scientifically and technologically "advanced race" on the earth. It may eventually happen, or not. Nobody knows what can happen 20 years later with the rise of AI and all. But it is not something that would happen in the next 5-10 years.

Also, it's not a dichotomy. If the Chinese become the most technologically advanced country on the planet, it doesn't mean that the US and Europe will disappear or cease to exist, or turn into Africa suddenly.

The Chinese have proven to be unreliable partners. They can be the most scientifically and technologically advanced race or whatever, as long as they do not have strong partnerships and alliances like the US does, they will fail to replace the United States. And I do not see that changing any time soon.

You are being overtly harsh on the Chinese.

They are one of the original civilisational races along with Persian, Greek, Roman, Indus Valley.

Chinese have no interest in being a hegemonic power. Because of the brutality that it entails. And eventually they break into pieces.

China makes no false promises about being your indisputable ally.

In Bangladesh they have built reliable infrastructure cost effectively and stayed out of Bangladeshi politics.

Chinese do not demonise and gaslight Muslims 24/7 like the Hindus, Jews and high proportion of Christians.

Don’t make war with the one race not looking for a fight with Muslims.

 

[ety]

The Chinese have proven to be unreliable partners. They can be the most scientifically and technologically advanced race or whatever, as long as they do not have strong partnerships and alliances like the US does, they will fail to replace the United States. And I do not see that changing any time soon.

China is not someone's gun eh. It also has own interests, priorities and principles. China doesn't need "fake" friends either. Don't always try to blame your misfortunes on others.

 

[ShapurII]

You are being overtly harsh on the Chinese.

They are one of the original civilisational races along with Persian, Greek, Roman, Indus Valley.

Chinese have no interest in being a hegemonic power. Because of the brutality that it entails. And eventually they break into pieces.

China makes no false promises about being your indisputable ally.

In Bangladesh they have built reliable infrastructure cost effectively and stayed out of Bangladeshi politics.

Chinese do not demonise and gaslight Muslims 24/7 like the Hindus, Jews and high proportion of Christians.

Don’t make war with the one race not looking for a fight with Muslims.

Of course they are. I am a great admirer of the Chinese culture. I have never downplayed the achievements or the importance of the Chinese civilization.

I'm just saying that just because China is growing, it doesn't mean that the US and Europe will turn into Africa the moment their places are reversed.

That aside, building an empire takes more than just science and technology. The US inherited an empire from the British. I mean look at us, we are communicating with each other in English right now. Can you imagine us communicate in Chinese in the near future? I don't think that's possible in the next 5-10 years at all.

The US is not an empire because it has the lead in science and technology. That's just one aspect of their superiority in recent decades. There's more. It's more than money and knowledge.

As for Iran, most of our infrastructure either dates back to the time of the Shah, or before 2008 sanctions. The rest of our infrastructure has been built domestically with our own engineers.

 

[ShapurII]

China is not someone's gun eh. It also has own interests, priorities and principles. China doesn't need "fake" friends either. Don't always try to blame your misfortunes on others.

It's hilarious when the Chinese call others "fake" friends.

 

[ety]

It's hilarious when the Chinese call others "fake" friends.

Some just like to be that we all know.

 

[ShapurII]

Some just like to be that we all know.

Some are that, and everyone knows.