Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Ali_Baba]

Per Brandon J. Weichert ( the Senior National Security Editor at 19FortyFive.com) post US-Israel/ Iran war where the US will look to retreat from the region, there will be 5 major powers in the greater middle east calling the shots

SA, Iran, Pak, Egypt & Turkey

The Israelis are screwed

And - "no India" .... Just saying.

( infact India is no where right now, not in East Asia or West Asia .. )

 

[925boy]

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Significant American concession to Iran

This means less Iranian oil for China, which is good, because China took advantage of Iran a bit by buying a ton of its sanctioned oil at unfair prices.

 

[HAIDER]

This means less Iranian oil for China, which is good, because China took advantage of Iran a bit by buying a ton of its sanctioned oil at unfair prices.

Both China and India.

 

[PakistanLVR]

It was a domestic political need immediately after the revolution; an external threat legitimizes the rule. India does it well. Then it found legs of its own; the US reaction to it, in no small part due to the interests of the Israelis and the Arabs, turned it into a feedback loop.

Add to that the Muslim religious circles' ridiculous insistence on fighting it out of our current situations. If you were to elect/select a religious party in Pakistan, the same will happen.



Left the Kashmiris high and dry though, despite the long history of support Pakistan provided them. Then there's the 90s between them and the Saudis across the region, including Pakistan. The Iranians did and continue to do what they need to for their own interests. Muslim interests have nothing to do with it. Pakistanis should take a page from them.

It’s exactly a Muslim issue but also ties in non religious interests as well ie water wars etc.

It’s easier when your foreign policy is defined by Islam and the Quran (that a lot of non-Shias claim that it’s just good old Persian nationalism and expansionism wrapped in religion). They stood their ground with principles.

The Kashmir issue makes me very angry. Pakistan should never have stepped the intensity of Indians getting BBQ in IOK. Pakistan pulled back and the intensity of attacks in Baluchistan and KPK went up exponentially.

The J33ts escalated knowing they were safe and sound in IOk. Bold enough to block Pakistans water and become more aggressively.

Make the MoFos burn!

 

[ety]

This means less Iranian oil for China, which is good, because China took advantage of Iran a bit by buying a ton of its sanctioned oil at unfair prices.

Chinese private oil companies are taking risks of being sanctioned by US of buying Iranian oil, so some discounts for the compensation. Thats normal business. No other countries except Chinese companies were willing to take the risks and US pressures to buy Iranian oil for years.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

Israel Is Threatening To Use Nukes Against The World

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[Meengla]

The memorandum of understanding with Iran which Mr Trump signed on Wednesday – in Versailles; perhaps not the best augury of lasting diplomatic achievement

LOL! Right!!
I think Macron was very excited by the global exposure and his staff was rushing to find the 'Palace Printer'!

 

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[Meengla]

I keep going back to the F-15 shootdown in early April. Trump went completely insane and began issuing genocidal threats to Iran. The ceasefire that was arranged a few days later is still holding. This event was the true turning point in the war.
So what happened ? Well we are still trying to get the information, but the big picture is that Mr Trump had been sold this war as an easy victory by Netanyahu and despite all the setbacks, was still listening to him in early April. The final blunder by Trump was to green light an operation to directly attack the main Iranian nuke facility that was holding their enriched uranium, by using ground forces to collapse the entrance tunnels themselves and sealing off the whole facility for years, rather than just attacking the tunnel entrances using aircraft. This was an operation the Israelis had been encouraging the US to carry out since the Obama era, and had been described by Obama officials as "crazy".
The two below Substack articles have, IMO, the best information and analysis on why the F-15 pilot rescue was more likely a cover story for a failed Special Forces raid on Pickaxe Mountain

The Raid That Never Happened

The airstrip was picked, the CIA was running info campaigns, the aircrafts went down, the plan went down in flames like a Chinook

pawglvr69.substack.com

The Isfahan Debacle: Inside the Failed Raid That Shook Washington

The sequence of events that unfolded between April 2nd and April 5th, 2026, over central Iran represents one of the most complex and controversial military episodes in recent memory.

nitishastra.substack.com

It was after the failure of this Op that Trump seemed to finally realize how badly he had been misled by Netanyahu and the neocons into this war. They have been sidelined ever since.

Great post.
While these things maybe 'declassified' many years later, it is not a coincidence that the early April ceasefire happened shortly after the so-called Isfahan rescue operation. Plus, there were reports by even official US sources then (Pentagon?) that the Iranians managed to 'lock' on American jets. That left the carpet bombing only option but even that would carry risk of getting shot down. Even the F-35 was vulnerable to be shot down, as Pakistan's retired Airforce official Khalid Chisti detailed.

Iranians were not as defenseless as some Iranians here had been saying. Well, we know all the Iranian breast beaters here by now!

 

[krash]

It’s exactly a Muslim issue but also ties in non religious interests as well ie water wars etc.

How so? The results speak for themselves. Syria, Yemen, Libya, to name a few. I am open to changing my mind if you can provide empirical evidence.

It’s easier when your foreign policy is defined by Islam and the Quran (that a lot of non-Shias claim that it’s just good old Persian nationalism and expansionism wrapped in religion). They stood their ground with principles.

How is a foreign policy defined by the Quran? What are its exact tenets? How has Iran implemented them?

What other options did Iran have? Iraq, Syria, and Libya all stood their ground. Every country does when it comes down to existential threats. Iranian policies of the previous 4 decades led them there, which they also seem to have realized. I've discussed this at length here before.

The Kashmir issue makes me very angry. Pakistan should never have stepped the intensity of Indians getting BBQ in IOK. Pakistan pulled back and the intensity of attacks in Baluchistan and KPK went up exponentially.

The J33ts escalated knowing they were safe and sound in IOk. Bold enough to block Pakistans water and become more aggressively.

Make the MoFos burn!

I was pointing towards Iran's bonhomie with India despite its continued atrocities in Kashmir to contest the claim of "Shias have always come to the aid of their fellow Muslims". There's plenty of other examples throughout history.


People in groups overwhelmingly tend to their own group's interests. Any spillover is usually owing to chance alignment of interests. Always has been, always will be. The formation of nation-states has decoupled people's interests from every other grouping; political, religious, ethnic, and sectarian. They are now exclusively dictated through one's country. Not so much the emotions of Pakistanis, which are still governed by these archaic allegiances. So, with confused senses of belonging we still divide ourselves in different groups within the same nation.