Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[VCheng]

All I keep hearing is that Iran needs to make real concessions such as opening Hormuz and allowing ships to pass freely while the US just has to make vague promises of future negotiations because "anything is possible."

Nothing of the sort.

Those are merely negotiating tactics, nothing more and nothing less.

 

[Flotilla]

Where does it say that in the MoU? This is #5:

"Article 5 | Immediately upon signing this MOU, Iran will make its best effort to ensure the safe passage of commercial vessels through the Strait of Hormuz from the Persian Gulf to the Arabian Sea and vice versa, free of charge, for only 60 days. Commercial vessel passage will begin immediately and will be implemented within 30 days, considering the need to remove technical and military obstacles and clear mines by Iran. Iran will engage in dialogue with Oman while consulting with other Persian Gulf littoral states, in accordance with applicable international law and the sovereign rights of the Strait of Hormuz littoral states, to define future management and maritime services of the Strait of Hormuz."

Exactly here;
Iran will engage in dialogue with Oman while consulting with other Persian Gulf littoral states, in accordance with applicable international law and the sovereign rights of the Strait of Hormuz littoral states, to define future management and maritime services of the Strait of Hormuz

Which dialogue has been between Oman and Iran about the "safe passage"???. They just escorted them by territorial waters, avoiding the control of Irán.

Moreover you must check international law. Article 22 of UNCLOS on his fourth point says

"4. The coastal State (IRAN) shall clearly indicate such sea lanes and traffic separation schemes on charts to which due publicity shall be given."

So no dialogue, no fullfilling of international law (UNCLOS also infringed) NO safe passage.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Oman shouldn't be given a free pass this time. They're responsible for the current mess. Hit them as hard as the Emirates and Qatar.

Throwing Oman under the bus is the most convenient scapegoat. Oman has no say regardless. They cannot force US out. Generally they take the path of least resistance and no one should blame them for it. US is plowing through Omani waters as Oman doesn't exist and when told by Oman otherwise face bombing threats from none other than the orange-in-thief. And those ships in turn undermine the MoU the way Iran intends.

Suffice to say that this was in the making and Iran though being hard pressed to create a new normal, SHOULD NOT! The slight of hand or pulling the rabbit has been seen way too many times to be tolerated. Status quo doesn't exist and US is seeking to establish another one in a path of least resistance.

Orange couldn't protect zion and threw gulf statelets under the bus blatantly showing them their place. He knew that they are pressed for choice and China doesn't care... in fact all indications are that China wants a global reset. A oil crash that is inevitable if the inventories collapsed. The paper oil doesn't reflect the true price...the manipulators in action wouldn't want the reality to kick in at any point in time... Reserves helped cushion that blow... the problem with US shale is that it needs constant reinvestment. Fields generally dry up in one year... it remains the most expensive way ... to leverage market and fight wars.

 

[Starlord]

Regional economies going down, to bring down the global economy, with significant consequences for the American economy is not a small lever Iran has. Even Israel is not immune from economic shock if/when the Yemenis start choking the Red Sea route.

It is very difficult to say where will this war end. A 'frozen conflict' or a repeat of what was done to Saddam regime from early 90s, culminating in the 2003 war. It is hard for the West to lose the Middle East: I think in Trump's second term alone, he got 3 trillion Dollars worth of promised investment in weapons/trade from various Arab countries. And as long as Trump and Netanyahu sit in their respective offices as contemporaries leaders, nothing can be ruled out.

Again, with this mentality of if I go down, I will take everyone with me won't get you any friends, we know Trump is unpredictible but Bibi is as he is the one pushing for war, how long this pressure can hold the resumption of a full scale war is yet to be seen. But If i was Iran all my actions would be super calculated and think it through 1000 times. Every missile/Drone that fly towards a commerical ship or military target opens them to a further strikes, right now Israel is quite which is weird but i bet they are hoarding AD missiles and more bombs so when they war resumes they can intercept most of Iranian missiles.

 

[Magi]

I wonder if they built this at the behest of the U.S to give Israel an easy target?

Who designed and constructed this? Was it built using the annual US aid and by US companies?

 

[Flotilla]

Throwing Oman under the bus is the most convenient scapegoat. Oman has no say regardless. They cannot force US out. Generally they take the path of least resistance and no one should blame them for it. US is plowing through Omani waters as Oman doesn't exist and when told by Oman otherwise face bombing threats from none other than the orange-in-thief. And those ships in turn undermine the MoU the way Iran intends.

I agree Omanese probably have been forced by Trump and there are no bad intentions towards Irán.

So let do the dirty job to Sepah Navy.

They will deal with US.

Let´s see how much Trump wants to press to the bottom the gas pedal.

 

[RocketLaw]

9 minutes ago

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Trump on Iran:

"I'm likely to direct a strong strike at them again tonight. I'll give them a simple warning. We'll hit them hard tonight.”

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Trump brazenly announcing he will attack Iran again tonight

Luckily for him IRI is the most reactive state in modern history and will just wait for the bombs to drop and Iranians to be killed before firing a few drones at empty air bases in Kuwait and Bahrain and promise that “next time” the response will be disproportionate and earth shattering

He's deliberately leveraging gulf and zionist infrastructure to attack civilians and civilian infrastructure in Iran. If power plants are fair game then zion goes out of power!

 

[Meengla]

Again, with this mentality of if I go down, I will take everyone with me won't get you any friends, we know Trump is unpredictible but Bibi is as he is the one pushing for war, how long this pressure can hold the resumption of a full scale war is yet to be seen. But If i was Iran all my actions would be super calculated and think it through 1000 times. Every missile/Drone that fly towards a commerical ship or military target opens them to a further strikes, right now Israel is quite which is weird but i bet they are hoarding AD missiles and more bombs so when they war resumes they can intercept most of Iranian missiles.

Trump is the most compromised of all American Presidents when it comes to Israel. Even Biden had stopped Netanyahu from launching a war on Iran when the Gaza war was raging. Plus Trump is unpredictable. His admirers give him much benefit of wisdom but they are cultists and will remain so until their own pocket books start to hurt badly.

Having said that, the economic levers Iran holds are not small. Even Trump had referred to not being another President Herbert Hoover--probably a rare admission of weakness by the bully.

As to the Iranian leadership--it may annoy some here but hard to put much confidence of judgement in a leadership which launched missiles on its only well wisher in the world: Pakistan.

 

[RescueRanger]

Not one but two USAF - SAM (Special Air Mission Flights) in Europe right now


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x2 P-8's now airborne. If P8's are flying that means they are supporting MQ9s.

 

[krash]

A true Muslim never retreat, 3v3n in hard times

I'll let the Sahabah at Uhud and Mutah know.

 

[Soldier35]

The ceasefire between the US and Iran has ended, US President Donald Trump announced. US Air Forces carried out a series of strikes on targets in Iran. A series of explosions were recorded in the port cities of Sirik and Bandar Abbas, and on the islands of Qeshm and Kharg. More than 60 Iranian military boats and air defense systems were also targeted. The attack was in retaliation for Iran's strike on three commercial vessels in the Strait of Hormuz.

 

[tsunset]

 

[BigMela2onin]

So who is telling the truth, CNN or Reuters?

 

[Persian Gulf]

They are even losing Arya