Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Iran is in FATF black list. Do you know what it means ?
You post a lot of fallacies, and it is beyond my patience to go over all of them. Your mind is made up and debating with that mentality is futile. @ShapurII has the patience of a saint (or Imam?) for responding over and over to you when your thoughts are so calcified.

But the statement I quoted is a great microcosm of your thinking so I will address it.

FATF means exactly nothing. Zero. Zilch. Where has FATF been when they fund AQ and countless other death squads on multiple continents? No blacklisting there, eh? FATF and all other similar western levers of power are controlled by the US and applied selectively.

If the US was serious it would deliver Iran's stolen money on day 1. In fact Iran should have demanded the full release of its stolen money (the entire 100-200 billion) as a pre condition before entering any negotiations. But the US was not serious, as it cannot seriously concede to an ascendant Iran. The future of the empire depends on it.

Iran gained control of the Strait of Hormuz and had the world's oil reserves and the sand statelets by the jugular. Instead it gave up that kinetic leverage for a bunch of promises and entered an endless maze of western bureaucracy designed to choke off Iran.
 
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There is zero chance of another US land or amphibious assault. The last time this was attempted was that whole F-15 shootdown/rescue saga in April, which was actually an Op to collapse the entrance tunnels themselves in Pickaxe Mountain, so as to seal off the facility and claim victory, rather than just repeatedly blocking the facility entrances.

You can check my detailed post on that here.

Combine this with FPV drones and it would be extreme recklessness for the US to send ground forces who will subsequently be chased and killed on camera, like the Israelis are in Lebanon or the Russkies in Ukraine.
 
if Iran attacks the USA now during hostilities, it won't be enough to invoke article 5 as the USA is in the middle of a war it started and that is a war of choice.
I don't think it would be enough either. I believe that the us would have had to have been attacked first to invoke article 5.
 
He would lose his toilet cleaning job in Qatar!

Years ago I knew a Qatari prince. The racism he showed toward Pakistani and Indian workers and the stories he told would make the KKK blush.
Bros....I know it's stressful time but there is no need to get personal. GCC are racist towards Iranians, Pakistanis, poorer Arabs and worst towards poor Africans.
 
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10 missiles isn’t going to cut it
 

Oil tanker traffic through Hormuz at near standstill: Reuters​

⁠Oil tanker traffic through the Strait ⁠of Hormuz was at a near standstill on Thursday, according to Reuters.

Two tankers sailed through the strait in the early hours of this morning, according to the news agency.

They include the crude supertanker Berg 1, which had loaded at Iran’s Kharg Island and is subject to US sanctions, and Marshall Islands-flagged chemical tanker Well Sail, according to analysis from Kpler.
 
What exactly is Trump's endgame at this point? Market manupilation to profit off or satisfying the demands of his Zionist handlers?
 
There's little motivation for peace in the region beyond Pakistan's miserable efforts.
 
A more sober take than by some of the John Rambos here.

CNN : What options does Trump have now in Iran? Not many, and they’re all bad​


President Donald Trump’s Iran entanglement is beginning to resemble a visual illusion known as the Penrose stairs, which endlessly climb and descend but always end up in the same place.

The predicament is of Trump’s own making after he launched a war that never promised a definitive exit and crafted a memorandum of understanding that failed to address the reasons for the conflict.

He was left staring at a familiar dilemma as smoke cleared late Wednesday from new US air strikes to punish Tehran’s attacks on shipping in the Strait of Hormuz.
Does he escalate the war — at a potentially high human, economic and political cost — to try to shatter a new status quo that hands Iran the most leverage? Or does he try to revive a flawed ceasefire that pays Iran billions just to talk?

The latest flare-up, just three weeks after Trump signed the MOU with Tehran that he hailed as a deal only he could make, underscored the broad futility of the US war effort so far.

In essence, by firing off a new flurry of missiles and air attacks, he risked starting a second war to correct the damage — Iran’s grip on the Strait of Hormuz — that was caused by the first.

Iran’s attacks on shipping underscored its determination to preserve that leverage, which, apart from its repressive regime’s survival, was its major war gain. It wants to turn the critical oil and gas transit route into revenue by levying tolls. The strikes against several ships seemed intended to force vessels to navigate only along its preferred routes, confirming its dominance.

The attacks, and the US reprisals, appear to contradict the MOU. But the document — negotiated by the team of US envoy Steve Witkoff and Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner — is so vague, lacking in enforcement and credulous about Iran’s intentions that it’s hardly surprising it has already fizzled.

A furious Trump said on a trip to the NATO summit in Turkey that the MOU was now “over” and blasted Iran as “cuckoo.” But he said his negotiators could continue talking if they wanted. Deepening the impression of strategic incoherence, he added: “They’ll never build a nuclear weapon under our deal, but I don’t know if we’re going to have a deal. We may just do it without a deal because you know what, it’s easier.”

Escalating the war would bring massive costs

Absent some out-of-the-box plan no one has thought of, Trump’s options are narrow and might not work.

He could order a massive escalation. While an invasion of Iran is unthinkable, he might contemplate air attacks on Iranian civilian infrastructure or power plants, or an invasion of coastal districts along the strait to drive back Iranian forces. Another possibility is an operation to seize Iran’s Kharg Island oil hub.

But the costs could be huge and might trigger the economic backlash he specifically explained he was trying to avoid in signing the MOU. A Marine or special forces assault on Kharg would risk high US casualties. For all his other missteps, Trump has not so far emulated presidents who tried to buy back their own credibility by ordering action that killed many US service personnel or civilians.

Any US escalation would not come in a vacuum.
Widening target lists in Iran would likely cause payback attacks on US Gulf allies and American regional bases. Oil and gas plants could be in the firing line — again with the possibility of igniting a global energy crisis.

Then Trump would face a backlash at home, including a return to high gasoline prices that helped pummel his political standing during the war and hurt already-perilous Republican Party prospects before the midterm elections.


It’s not even clear that full-scale war would destroy Iran’s capacity to threaten the strait, given that a few drones could halt commercial shipping from launch sites miles away.

Rep. Adam Smith, the top Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee, said on CNN Wednesday that Trump’s predicament showed why hawks calling on him to “finish the job” in Iran were misguided. “You’re not going to be able to, quote, finish the job, unquote, to the point where it breaks Iran,” Smith said. “That was always the flaw in the argument for starting this war in the first place. And now we’re in that hole.”

In theory, Trump could restore the US blockade on Iranian ships and ports after already rescinding a waiving of oil sanctions agreed under the MOU. But after weeks enduring the first such embargo, Iran came nowhere near the “unconditional surrender” that Trump demanded.

Retired Adm. James Stavridis, while acknowledging that Trump didn’t have a great set of options, told CNN’s Jim Sciutto that Trump’s best course of action may be to go after economic targets in Iran. “We are bringing a knife to a knife fight, but we’ve got a gun,” Stavridis said. “Frankly, I don’t think we’re going to conquer Kharg Island, but we could blockade it. That would be the end of the Iranian economy.”

Stavridis caveated his comment with the potential for severe Iranian retaliation. But perhaps sustained, painful economic pressure on Iran might force the regime, despite indifference to the suffering of its citizens, to consider whether it could indefinitely bear the political consequences of a ravaged economy.

One possibility might be for Trump to simply walk away, leaving the world with the reality of a contested Strait of Hormuz. That would mean more expensive energy and a dangerous and more expensive passage for ships. Markets might adjust. But he would not be able to insulate the US from economic consequences — including the stock indexes he uses as a barometer of personal success.

Eventually, a lower volume of oil on the market could critically deplete reserve stocks. And ignoring the problem would enshrine an embarrassing defeat for the president and wreck global perceptions of US power. Iran could flaunt its prime leverage from the war in perpetuity.

That opportunity is now so valuable that it has caused Iran’s new rulers to risk a deal that provided billions of dollars in waived US sanctions and reconstruction funds. Once again, the assumptions of an administration led by tycoons that everyone can be swayed by monetary gain — already undermined in Ukraine — look increasingly threadbare.

At the same time, however, Iran’s approach comes with serious risks. The potential overplaying of its hand could bolster regional support for any hardened US approach. It may also hint at divisions inside the regime, as newly elevated, nationalistic Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps officials seek to discredit more moderate colleagues who want to negotiate.

The limited US options offer a potential explanation for why Trump, fresh from ordering Wednesday’s strikes, was soon back to making threats.

“If it happens again, it will get much worse,” he wrote on social media. But Iran didn’t cave to such warnings during the far more sustained and aggressive US and Israeli bombing earlier in the war.

On Air Force One on the way home from Turkey, Trump turned to another well-worn page of his playbook.

“They called a little while ago; they want to make a deal so badly,” he said, returning to a refrain he’s repeated for months, but that never seems to come true.

Sometimes, the president seems to be waging war not only on Iran but also on reality.
 
Boxer is not there.

It's there.

Your url updated date is from June 29th.

USNI news last updated date is July 7th.


USS Boxer is there replacing USS Tripoli

USNI news is a reliable source
 
A similar take by the holy of holies, the New York Times. Trump has no good options on Iran. The article does say that the Iranian leadership is aware of Trump's predicament.

NYT : As Iran Cease-Fire Frays, Trump Faces a Muddled War and Unpalatable Options​

The president appears to be confronting the consequences of a cease-fire deal cobbled together in haste, with little movement toward resolving the key issues driving the conflict.

Just two weeks ago, opening the Great American State Fair, President Trump triumphantly declared: “For the first time in 3,000 years, we are going to have peace in the Middle East.”

It was typical bravado for Mr. Trump. But the “peace” he was celebrating — the cease-fire with Iran that on Wednesday he declared “over” after less than a month — was already beginning to unravel. The result was perhaps predictable for a 14-paragraph memorandum of understanding that skirted major issues and was hastily assembled so Mr. Trump could declare he had reached a deal, any deal.

Now Mr. Trump appears to be confronting the consequences of his haste, and of his assumption, born of his time in the real estate business, that his adversary would prize economic benefits over the revolutionary ideology that has driven its politics since the 1979 Iranian revolution. That has left him facing a range of unpalatable options amid seemingly intractable sticking points over the fate of Iran’s nuclear program — to say nothing of its missile program, its support for terrorist groups and its repression of its own people.

At the NATO summit in Ankara, Turkey, on Wednesday after the two sides had exchanged strikes, he threatened major new combat operations. Those included seizing a key Iranian oil processing island and attacking the country’s infrastructure and desalination plants, which experts have said could constitute a war crime. (Mr. Trump did say he was most hesitant to hit the desalination facilities.)

But Mr. Trump has made such threats without following through before, and he added on Wednesday that he did not anticipate a return to full-scale war. Such a move has little domestic support, and some of Mr. Trump’s Republican allies fear the economic and political consequences less than four months before the midterm elections. No one is more aware of that calendar, or Mr. Trump’s hesitation to repeat the experience of the spring, than the Iranian leadership.

The president could instead reimpose the American blockade of Iranian ports, an attempt to cut off the country’s economic lifeline. But that would require a continued, intense American presence in the region, and while Mr. Trump contended in April that it would lead to Iranian economic collapse, his earlier imposition of it did not.
Or he could elect to live in a world of neither war nor peace, an era of episodic skirmishes in the Persian Gulf, punctuated by periodic negotiations, with traffic through the Strait of Hormuz, a key oil-shipping route, greatly reduced from the 130 or so ships that passed through each day before the war. The energy markets would most likely adjust; to some degree they already have.

But for a president who promised a quick, cost-free confrontation with an old adversary — “four to six weeks” was the White House prediction in the opening weeks — an ongoing conflict would amount to near-total failure on the mission he initially set out upon. And the price would be staggering: The Pentagon has already asked Congress for about $70 billion to cover the early operations around Iran, and the cost rises every week.

The problem is that all the options — endure, escalate or agree — are unattractive in different ways,” Richard Fontaine, the chief executive of the Center for a New American Security and a former aide to Senator John McCain, said on Wednesday. “The likeliest outcome is a continuing series of low-level, tit-for-tat attacks, followed by frantic diplomacy by mediators, the emergence of a new and fragile cease-fire, and then probably another round of strikes.

Mr. Fontaine added: “It will be a long oscillation between cold war and low-level hot war.”
Many of the problems Mr. Trump is facing today were exacerbated by the cease-fire deal itself. It left unresolved, for a later negotiation that Mr. Trump now says he has little interest in pursuing, the fate of Iran’s stockpile of near-bomb-grade nuclear fuel, the most prominent among the administration’s shifting reasons for attacking Iran on Feb. 28.

The agreement appeared to hand Iran at least some control over passage through the Strait of Hormuz, the superweapon that Tehran, and specifically the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, has skillfully manipulated to drive up oil prices, and now has used to justify attacks on tankers and cargo ships not hewing to its new rules.

“What we’re seeing now is Iran, and more specifically the I.R.G.C., trying to exert control over the strait and declaring that this control is their sovereign right,” said Kevin Donegan, a retired Navy vice admiral who served as a Navy commander in the Middle East. “That’s the main card they have to play, and as a result we can expect they will continue to try to disrupt any ship traffic that uses routes different from the ones they have published.”

The deal was silent on Iran’s missile arsenal, the key issue for Israel. And it depended on a cease-fire in Lebanon, though the parties to that conflict, Israel and Hezbollah, were not signatories of the agreement. And it set an unrealistic deadline, 60 days, to deal diplomatically with those and other issues that months of active combat had failed to resolve.

There are, of course, many more turns ahead in this drama. Mr. Trump threatened again on Wednesday to try to seize Kharg Island, where giant tankers collect Iran’s oil and head to world markets. He may seek to seize the 60 percent enriched nuclear material deep underground at Isfahan, a mission for which Special Operations forces have trained extensively, though he dismissed the need for it on Wednesday.
“We’ve already got the nuclear material, because it’s so far underground,” he said, noting that the Iranians do not have the heavy equipment needed to unearth it.

If Mr. Trump is right about that, and many nuclear experts agree that the material would be enormously difficult to recover, it raises a fundamental question: If the nuclear fuel was successfully buried in the June 2025 American bombing of three major nuclear sites, why did he go to war to begin with? His statement on Wednesday, a repeat of comments he has made several times in recent months, undercuts the argument he made in the days after the initial attack in February that there was an “imminent” threat.

That initial justification has been overtaken by subsequent contradictions. Mr. Trump has periodically praised the new Iranian leadership, and even its new supreme leader, Mojtaba Khamenei, the son of the slain ayatollah, as more “reasonable.” He has said many times that, unlike their predecessors, the new leaders would open up the strait and dilute the nuclear stockpile because it will be in their economic interest.

Vice President JD Vance sounded exactly that note last month, when he was signing the memorandum of understanding in Switzerland.

“The coolest thing about the progress we’ve made over the last few weeks is that you see people within the Iranian system, senior leadership, even I.R.G.C. officials say, ‘You know what, we may have some animosity, we may have some mistrust, but we recognize the way that we’ve done business with the United States for 47 years is a mistake,’” he said.

On Wednesday, Mr. Trump had a different word for those leaders: “scum.”
“They are sick people. They’re led by sick people, and they’re vicious, violent people,” he said, adding: “As far as I’m concerned, it’s just a waste of time dealing with them.”
 

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