Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Shags101]

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/09/world/middleeast/jordan-iran-missiles.html

So nothing to do with the article but here’s something I have noticed they aren’t hitting sites where these missiles are being launched from unless I’m mistaken and gone to easier soft targets that aren’t as hardened is this a sign that American bunker busters are now getting limited even for America

@AZ_HighCountry

 

[Meengla]

This is the Trump base. Not only is Trump out of military options, he is in political peril as well.

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Steve Bannon finally said so clearly! Anyone remotely follows this guy would know the importance of this guy. Heck, one of my Christian Zionist lady friend introduced me to Steve during the 2020 elections. I wonder what she feels now about her beloved Israel! She has turned so Zionist that she calls Saturday as 'Shabbat'.

 

[Meengla]

Yes, the 'overplayed' argument is being overplayed itself. Per a video I just watched of Pakistan's brilliant retired diplomat Khurshid Kasuri: If Iranians had allowed an alternate route via Oman then the main leverage Iran has would be neutralized and thus would come even more brutal bombing of Iran. Kasuri also said that it is better for Iran to very careful in its targeting because Israelis are trying to pit Muslims nations against each other.

The video. English captions available. He is also mentioning the daunting circumstances and good timing which Pakistan had faced to become a nuclear power. He is politely saying that Iran doesn't have the option to be a nuclear power anymore.
Short video.

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[925boy]

americans and isrealis will unload on iran, then another ceasefire for a period of time and then another round of attacks. the intent is to incrementally whittle iran down.

That might be the strategy, but I honestly dunno if it s a winning strategies.

 

[Eşbah]

Let's look at this war from IRI's perspective to make people understand how badly the Iranian security apparatus failed in this conflict. Take the Kürecik NATO Base in Turkey as an example.

From this radar base, the US is effectively monitoring all of Northwest Iran to this day, where a significant portion of the Iranian population resides.

Don't misunderstand me. No one in Turkey would tolerate any harm to Turkish lives or property caused by Iranians, but in this case the situation is different.

Think about it: Iranians can enter Turkey without a visa. IRGC members visit Van regularly. I have seen them in the city with their families; they usually visit accompained by a few younger men (obviously bodyguards). There is substantial trade, too, with thousands of trucks crossing the Iranian-Turkish border weekly. Villages and orchards are located as close as 500 to 1000 meters from the base installations, yet Iranian intelligence has:

a.) never considered this vulnerable target

b.) failed to develop any contingency plans to neutralize these radar installations

c.) not contemplated smuggling man-portable air-defense systems or small missiles to accurately strike the radar

Strictly from IRI's POV: Why would you be this lethargic?!

Let's be real, the Turkish population could not care less about the destruction of these radars. The missiles fired towards Cyprus and Israel crossing into Turkish airspace were of greater concern for the average Turk than potentially seeing US AN/TPY-2 radars getting destroyed.

Iran's passivity caused more harm than US and Israeli bombs.

 

[ShotErrorKh]

Let's look at this war from IRI's perspective to make people understand how badly the Iranian security apparatus failed in this conflict. Take the Kürecik NATO Base in Turkey as an example.

From this radar base, the US is effectively monitoring all of Northwest Iran to this day, where a significant portion of the Iranian population resides.

Don't misunderstand me. No one in Turkey would tolerate any harm to Turkish lives or property caused by Iranians, but in this case the situation is different.

Think about it: Iranians can enter Turkey without a visa. IRGC members visit Van regularly. I have seen them in the city with their families; they usually visit accompained by a few younger men (obviously bodyguards). There is substantial trade, too, with thousands of trucks crossing the Iranian-Turkish border weekly. Villages and orchards are located as close as 500 to 1000 meters from the base installations, yet Iranian intelligence has:

a.) never considered this vulnerable target

b.) failed to develop any contingency plans to neutralize these radar installations

c.) not contemplated smuggling man-portable air-defense systems or small missiles to accurately strike the radar

Strictly from IRI's POV: Why would you be this lethargic?!

Let's be real, the Turkish population could not care less about the destruction of these radars. The missiles fired towards Cyprus and Israel crossing into Turkish airspace were of greater concern for the average Turk than potentially seeing US AN/TPY-2 radars getting destroyed.

Iran's passivity caused more harm than US and Israeli bombs.

Yeah so NATO can trigger article 5 which Trump has been dying for right?

 

[Magi]

Let's look at this war from IRI's perspective to make people understand how badly the Iranian security apparatus failed in this conflict. Take the Kürecik NATO Base in Turkey as an example.

From this radar base, the US is effectively monitoring all of Northwest Iran to this day, where a significant portion of the Iranian population resides.

Don't misunderstand me. No one in Turkey would tolerate any harm to Turkish lives or property caused by Iranians, but in this case the situation is different.

Think about it: Iranians can enter Turkey without a visa. IRGC members visit Van regularly. I have seen them in the city with their families; they usually visit accompained by a few younger men (obviously bodyguards). There is substantial trade, too, with thousands of trucks crossing the Iranian-Turkish border weekly. Villages and orchards are located as close as 500 to 1000 meters from the base installations, yet Iranian intelligence has:

a.) never considered this vulnerable target

b.) failed to develop any contingency plans to neutralize these radar installations

c.) not contemplated smuggling man-portable air-defense systems or small missiles to accurately strike the radar

Strictly from IRI's POV: Why would you be this lethargic?!

Let's be real, the Turkish population could not care less about the destruction of these radars. The missiles fired towards Cyprus and Israel crossing into Turkish airspace were of greater concern for the average Turk than potentially seeing US AN/TPY-2 radars getting destroyed.

Iran's passivity caused more harm than US and Israeli bombs.

If there is one thing that will totally tip the scale against Iran it's the entry of Turkish ground forces into the war against Iran.

After the 12 day war an Iranian official stated Israel operated drones out of Azerbaijan with the understanding that an Iranian retaliation against Azerbaijan would trigger Turkish entry into the war.

The idea that Israel operated out of Azerbaijan was laughed at on the internet until recently when the existence of Israeli bases in Iraq and Azerbaijan was leaked.

If you recall, Aliyev made belligerent statements and threats to Iran at the beginning of the 40 day war. He changed his tone after it became clear Iran was not about to fall.

Before the 40 day war Turkey stated their intention to create safe zones inside Iran in the case of a power vacuum in Iran.

I have no doubt Turkey would enter on the side of the US if Iran wobbled or gave NATO an excuse.

 

[ustaad]

Let's look at this war from IRI's perspective to make people understand how badly the Iranian security apparatus failed in this conflict. Take the Kürecik NATO Base in Turkey as an example.

From this radar base, the US is effectively monitoring all of Northwest Iran to this day, where a significant portion of the Iranian population resides.

Don't misunderstand me. No one in Turkey would tolerate any harm to Turkish lives or property caused by Iranians, but in this case the situation is different.

Think about it: Iranians can enter Turkey without a visa. IRGC members visit Van regularly. I have seen them in the city with their families; they usually visit accompained by a few younger men (obviously bodyguards). There is substantial trade, too, with thousands of trucks crossing the Iranian-Turkish border weekly. Villages and orchards are located as close as 500 to 1000 meters from the base installations, yet Iranian intelligence has:

a.) never considered this vulnerable target

b.) failed to develop any contingency plans to neutralize these radar installations

c.) not contemplated smuggling man-portable air-defense systems or small missiles to accurately strike the radar

Strictly from IRI's POV: Why would you be this lethargic?!

Let's be real, the Turkish population could not care less about the destruction of these radars. The missiles fired towards Cyprus and Israel crossing into Turkish airspace were of greater concern for the average Turk than potentially seeing US AN/TPY-2 radars getting destroyed.

Iran's passivity caused more harm than US and Israeli bombs.

Are you for real?

 

[Eşbah]

If there is one thing that will totally tip the scale against Iran it's the entry of Turkish ground forces into the war against Iran.

After the 12 day war an Iranian official stated Israel operated drones out of Azerbaijan with the understanding that an Iranian retaliation against Azerbaijan would trigger Turkish entry into the war.

The idea that Israel operated out of Azerbaijan was laughed at on the internet until recently when the existence of Israeli bases in Iraq and Azerbaijan were leaked.

If you recall, Aliyev made belligerent statements and threats to Iran at the beginning of the 40 day war. He changed his tone after it became clear Iran was not about to fall.

Before the 40 day war Turkey stated their intention to create safe zones inside Iran in the case of a power vacuum in Iran.

I have no doubt Turkey would enter on the side of the US if Iran wobbled or gave NATO an excuse.

There is no scenario in which Turkey would initiate an attack on Iran or permit an assault on Iran from its territory. It seems you may not grasp the extent of opposition to this war within Türkiye. Politicians and parties who have historically supported anti-Iranian policies have shifted their stance. It is quite uncommon in Turkish domestic politics for all factions, left, right, and conservative, to reach a consensus on any issue. Engaging in war against Iran would instantly kill Erdoğan's legacy and presidency.

The situation regarding the buffer zone has been exaggerated. The government tried to reassure the public with that statement, who feared an influx of an additional 5 million Iranian refugees following the Syrian crisis. Aliyev on the other hand has shown himself to be foolish, and Ankara has brought him more or less back to reality. He notably toned down his reckless remarks after Ankara expressed its disapproval. Even his significant lobbying influence could not muster support for his stance in Turkey, which is telling, as Azerbaijan holds more sway in Ankara than Israel does in Washington DC. Iran is a red line for many in Ankara.

You guy's statements are bewildering to me. This very climate of fear has contributed to Iran's self-imposed restraint. I mean, a covert operation to destroy a radar would not have provoked a response from NATO.

If this is what you fear, I can't help you.

 

[Eşbah]

Are you for real?

I assure you that if the roles were reversed, the Turkish MIT would have eliminated the radar on the very first day of the war.

 

[Avicenna]

There is no scenario in which Turkey would initiate an attack on Iran or permit an assault on Iran from its territory. It seems you may not grasp the extent of opposition to this war within Türkiye. Politicians and parties who have historically supported anti-Iranian policies have shifted their stance. It is quite uncommon in Turkish domestic politics for all factions, left, right, and conservative, to reach a consensus on any issue. Engaging in war against Iran would instantly kill Erdoğan's legacy and presidency.

The situation regarding the buffer zone has been exaggerated. The government tried to reassure the public with that statement, who feared an influx of an additional 5 million Iranian refugees following the Syrian crisis. Aliyev on the other hand has shown himself to be foolish, and Ankara has brought him more or less back to reality. He notably toned down his reckless remarks after Ankara expressed its disapproval. Even his significant lobbying influence could not muster support for his stance in Turkey, which is telling, as Azerbaijan holds more sway in Ankara than Israel does in Washington DC. Iran is a red line for many in Ankara.

You guy's statements are bewildering to me. This very climate of fear has contributed to Iran's self-imposed restraint. I mean, a covert operation to destroy a radar would not have provoked a response from NATO.

If this is what you fear, I can't help you.

What's your thoughts on the war of words between Zios and you guys.

They are now openly belligerent towards Turkiye.

They are carving up different parties one by one in the region.

Once they are done with Iran one way or the other you guys are next.

 

[Shags101]

There is no scenario in which Turkey would initiate an attack on Iran or permit an assault on Iran from its territory. It seems you may not grasp the extent of opposition to this war within Türkiye. Politicians and parties who have historically supported anti-Iranian policies have shifted their stance. It is quite uncommon in Turkish domestic politics for all factions, left, right, and conservative, to reach a consensus on any issue. Engaging in war against Iran would instantly kill Erdoğan's legacy and presidency.

The situation regarding the buffer zone has been exaggerated. The government tried to reassure the public with that statement, who feared an influx of an additional 5 million Iranian refugees following the Syrian crisis. Aliyev on the other hand has shown himself to be foolish, and Ankara has brought him more or less back to reality. He notably toned down his reckless remarks after Ankara expressed its disapproval. Even his significant lobbying influence could not muster support for his stance in Turkey, which is telling, as Azerbaijan holds more sway in Ankara than Israel does in Washington DC. Iran is a red line for many in Ankara.

You guy's statements are bewildering to me. This very climate of fear has contributed to Iran's self-imposed restraint. I mean, a covert operation to destroy a radar would not have provoked a response from NATO.

If this is what you fear, I can't help you.

agree mainly because a destabilized Iran means another attempt of Kurds trying to carve out another country turkey wont let that happen even if it goes against trumps wishes

 

[retaxis]

Israel and America have two complete different goals at this stage in the war

Israel wants Iran and GCC to wipe each others oil and critical infrastructure like desalination plants. This way two regional rivals are wiped out at once and Israel can advance their greater israel plan.

America on the other hand needs the petro dollar from the GCC arabs to push the dollar as reserve currency and most importantly keep the AI bubble going. Gulf arabs are putting hundreds of billions if not trillions into US AI bubble which will pop as China offers open source AI at much cheaper scale. Without Gulf arab money, Petrodollar and America growth is done for.

So if Israel gets what it wants, America is sacrificed along with Iran and the GCC.