Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

The issue is target selection.

Iran has always been trying to avoid excessive conflagration.

With the accuracy demonstrated hitherto, Iran can easily knock out 1 refinery per day if it tries.

I cannot understand why Iran chose not to.

Because the US and Israel are both nuclear states with international support and will not think twice to use their nukes if push comes to shove. And if people here think that's never going to happen, people also said that the US would never kill Soleimani, Israel would never kill Raeesi or attack Iran on its own, the US would never kill Khamenei and the US would never attack Iran. And all of those things happened and nothing happened from the Iranian side.

Israel has hundreds of nuclear warheads, some of which are strategic nukes over 10 megatons designed to target and wipe out European capitals in their Samson doctrine.

The US has over 6,000 nukes. And I do not need to tell you what the US strategic nuclear stockpile has been designed for because I'm sure everyone knows that the US had to prepare to fight the world's largest country, the Soviet Union, for decades.

As I had said before, a non-nuclear Iran will always be handicapped and at a disadvantage in every aspect of a potential war. And thanks to the late Khamenei, before his death he made sure that going nuclear was no longer an option.

Besides that, we have serious shortcomings when it comes to real-time intelligence. The regime dismantled our space program in the JCPOA, another big mistake. Everything the Islamic regime in Iran has done has always been for propaganda, without any real tangible benefits for the Iranian nation. They kept shooting toasters into space for years, calling it a space program, just like our nuclear program that was absolutely useless both for civilian and military purposes.

 

[omegalamba7xl9]

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A NEW VERSION OF OP BEEPER AND PAGER UNDERWAY....

 

[925boy]

Agreed , he is just making it easier for them to blame Iran when they eventually succeed in killing him

OR he is intentionally falsely blaming Iran to get sympathy from Americans for his unpopular war against Iran. Since he's too hated amongst Americans it likely won't work. he might be the first bsd and hated president the govt won't be able to protect forever.

 

[Homajon]

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Javid Shah with the fitting drawing on the wall

 

[RocketLaw]

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[925boy]

But the thing is I am waiting for Al Jazeera or BBC or ARAB NEWS to be reporting this.

Can u give us 1 solid reason why they would report this? Stop being so naive.

 

[Mobius]

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[Persian Gulf]

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[Qaraca]

If there is one thing that will totally tip the scale against Iran it's the entry of Turkish ground forces into the war against Iran.

After the 12 day war an Iranian official stated Israel operated drones out of Azerbaijan with the understanding that an Iranian retaliation against Azerbaijan would trigger Turkish entry into the war.

The idea that Israel operated out of Azerbaijan was laughed at on the internet until recently when the existence of Israeli bases in Iraq and Azerbaijan was leaked.

If you recall, Aliyev made belligerent statements and threats to Iran at the beginning of the 40 day war. He changed his tone after it became clear Iran was not about to fall.

Before the 40 day war Turkey stated their intention to create safe zones inside Iran in the case of a power vacuum in Iran.

I have no doubt Turkey would enter on the side of the US if Iran wobbled or gave NATO an excuse.

No Iranian official ever said such a thing.

On contrary, Ali Larijani said that there was no such evidence.

Iranian SNSC: There is no evidence that Azerbaijan helped Israel during war

There is no evidence that Azerbaijan assisted Israel during the 12-day war, APA reports, citing IRNA

en.apa.az

"Leaked"? Is it anything more than a bunch of claims with zero proof, from a source that you otherwise deem "Zionist"?

Aliyev made statements FOLLOWING an Iranian drone attack on civilian targets in Nakhchivan which injured civilians, saying Azerbaijan would respond. But the matter was resolved in a phone call between Aliyev and Pezeshkian shortly after. That’s some revisionism on your part that "he changed his tone after it became clear Iran was not about to fall", as that change of tone was a matter of few days, at a time when the war was still in early days and in full force.

 

[925boy]

Yep. I don't want to insult the IRI or IRGC, but they are acting like cowards here. Either fight hard rather than waiting for your enemy to degrade your abilities and respond with symbolic nonsense, or abide by the MOU terms which you agreed to.

Remember when Mousavi said Iran has a new offensive military doctrine which means it no longer waits for threats to materialise, but is willing to strike preemptively? What a load of BS that turned out to be. Sadly just the latest in a very long line of similar stories.

I fully understand your point and it makes sense,but the key thing here is where he these recent USA strikes on Iran are actually the restart of the war, or a momentary aggression/retaliation/deterrence attacks /pressure to open the SoH.


Iran might rightfully be waiting for the right signal or intention from US to show it's really back on the war path with Iran before Iran starts offensive military action. If this is a long war there is time.

Which long war did US win? respectfully , the longer this war goes on, the more likely US will lose it, based on its historical performance in longer wars.

 

[Flotilla]

I fully understand your point and it makes sense,but the key thing here is where he these recent USA strikes on Iran are actually the restart of the war, or a momentary aggression/retaliation/deterrence attacks /pressure to open the SoH.


Iran might rightfully be waiting for the right signal or intention from US to show it's really back on the war path with Iran before Iran starts offensive military action. If this is a long war there is time.

Which long war did US win? respectfully , the longer this war goes on, the more likely US will lose it, based on its historical performance in longer wars.

You're right.
There are two reasons.

One It is complete shutdown of US and western media. No one video or satellite pictures is leaked to public knowledge. But as always, by passing the time, videos and satellite pictures will arise, mainly by Chinese and Russian media or help.

Second Islamic Republic is dosifying the answer. Wonder to know how many real military targets have really destroyed US in this round. Just killing 17 persons may be indicative that not many targets have been destroyed and if done, crews are fortunately survived which mean they're reading to fight another day (like US F15 pilot).

I can understand some frustration but believing that Islamic Republic is not answering properly It is a mistake. They know very well to gamble with americans and zionists. And again, Iranian goals are much easier than american ones.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[RescueRanger]

Gulf countries can rebuild them, use alternative routes and eventually even develop powerful anti-drone and anti-missile systems.

Brother,

I understand you are trying to offer a counter opinion, which is okay, but let's be honest here. GCC people are largely lazy; they buy don't build.

They are hyper reliant on the US for their security and their own armed forces, although well-equipped, they largely lack an indigenous defense industry, relying and depending on foreign contractors to operate and maintain advanced platforms.

Historically their militaries have conducted nothing more than minor self-defense roles. As such they are simply not built or designed to function as a strong institution.

This is simply because their raison d'etre is to secure internal regime survival and border defense rather than projecting any form of expeditionary power.

There is a complete lack of Cohesion between the GCC nations, they may say things in public but don't sing from the same hymn sheet, even the touted unified military command - Peninsula Shield Force failed to achieve its enforcement and operational cohesion.

The outlook for the foreseeable in terms of GCC posture will be “active defense” plus enabling support for US-led operations whilst calling for "negotiations and deescalation" in public.
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Iran's missiles, drones, and defensive geography would make any conflict prolonged, costly, and difficult to resolve decisively, the GCC nations know this, which is why they are playing possum for some time now.

Remember that the GCC nations are businessmen, they don't want anything to upset their apple cart.

 

[BHAN85]

Gulf countries can rebuild them, use alternative routes and eventually even develop powerful anti-drone and anti-missile systems.

On the other hand, Iran's ability to threaten the Gulf countries will be eroded over time if the US does not give Iran any breathing space. That's what it boils down to

Let's look at Iraq as an example after Gulf War 1.

Iraq had set the refineries on fire which took months to extinguish. It had invaded Kuwait and fired missiles on Saudi Arabia. Iraq had caused immense damage to the world economy and the region.

Militarily, Iraq was still considered very powerful. What did the US and the UK do?

They imposed a decade long no-fly zone over Iraq. They took pot shots at Iraq every now and then. Over time these post shots had totally degraded Iraq militarily and economically. It's entire structure had eroded away from the inside. Yet, for a full decade Iraq still looked very strong with a massive military.

Come 2003, Iraq proved to be just a husk militarily.

Date​	No. of Targets​	Source​
26/06/2026​	Not stated​	US CENTCOM​
27/06/2026​	10​	US CENTCOM​
07/07/2026​	80​	US CENTCOM​
08/07/2026​	90​	US CENTCOM​

Everyone keeps saying Iran will be okay if it just absorbs the attacks and holds on long enough. I have my doubts if Iran is unable to prevent even a single US airstrike on its territory.

Yeah, GCC can rebuild oil fields and can install anti drone systems, but the cost of that it always will be thousand times more than cheap shaheds.

In the end, there is only two options to export gulf oil.
1) regime change in Iran
2) good relations with Iran.

Regime change has been proven unfeasible.

I think USA just want to disrupt oil exports using Iran.

They want to decrease world oil consumption in a controlled way, using Iran conflict.

Because oil is not endless, and USA ruling elite doesn't need so much consumption to satisfy their needs.

To understand the big picture we must forget emotional, sectarian reasons and think strictly in economic reasons, because it's the main cause of USA power decisions.

So we can expect a controlled destruction of a part of world economy, in the coming months.

 

[Magi]

No Iranian official ever said such a thing.

On contrary, Ali Larijani said that there was no such evidence.

Iranian SNSC: There is no evidence that Azerbaijan helped Israel during war

There is no evidence that Azerbaijan assisted Israel during the 12-day war, APA reports, citing IRNA

en.apa.az

"Leaked"? Is it anything more than a bunch of claims with zero proof, from a source that you otherwise deem "Zionist"?

Aliyev made statements FOLLOWING an Iranian drone attack on civilian targets in Nakhchivan which injured civilians, saying Azerbaijan would respond. But the matter was resolved in a phone call between Aliyev and Pezeshkian shortly after. That’s some revisionism on your part that "he changed his tone after it became clear Iran was not about to fall", as that change of tone was a matter of few days, at a time when the war was still in early days and in full force.

IR has always handled Azerbaijan with kid gloves in in official statements. In Persian language media we hear what is really going on.

Iran did not attack civilian targets as a rule. This is well established. It is also now well known that Israel operated out of Azerbaijan.

Azerbaijan has been extremely hostile toward Iran for many years. Yes, you are "free" to have relations with whoever you want, but there will be consequences for fueling the Israeli planes that dropped bombs on Iranian civilians. Not to mention other issues like greater Azerbaijan and other such jokes. You can deflect as you will. But understand, your regime has angered Iranians deeply. This includes Azaris. And there will be consequences sooner or later. If you think you can continue to antagonize and harm Iran and prosper you are mistaken.

"Azerbaijan" as a country with big nose and wife as president and vice president for life is a blip in history. Such entities nearly always vanish sooner or later as they are a product of and dependent on specific conditions that don't usually last very long. You should tread lightly.