Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

The criteria for Iran's success in this battle are quite low, ie demonstrate they can sink tankers at will and stop the oil flow. Nothing else. The Americans have a bigger job.

This is a joke, right? So, if Iran loses all of its power plants and bridges, loses Khuzestan and Bushehr which holds 90% of its energy resources, but continues to sink a few tankers in the Strait of Hormuz, Iran has won the war per your definition? lmao

 

[Ali_Baba]

This is a joke, right? So, if Iran loses all of its power plants and bridges, loses Khuzestan and Bushehr which holds 90% of its energy resources, but continues to sink 4-5 tankers in the Strait of Hormuz, Iran has won the war per your definition? lmao

I didn't say it would not cost Iran or hurt Iran. This is war, and yes, Iran is taking bigger hits than the region or the USA. What are the political goals and objectives of both sides, and who is closer to meeting them.

The USA will have to come to terms with not having control over the straits, and once that happens, they will need to yield politically to Iran's objectives. There is nothing else left for the Americans after that.

 

[PakistanLVR]

Once the bridges are repaired the US will bomb them again. It's about pressuring Iran to return to the negotiating table. There isn't any ground invasion happening, at the most some reckless attempts to seize some islands.

USAF bombed bridges behind Normandy beaches to make sure the German reinforcements cannot make it to the front lines to fight the beach invasions. It will restrict ground movement of troops to engage potential US landings.

 

[BananaRepublic]

That's the whole point of having a third group. They're passive, they want the best to happen for Iran. The truth is that this is no longer the 18th or 19th century where people's participation or political ideas matter that much.

That means the first group will triumph by default.

 

[sharreman10]

This is a joke, right? So, if Iran loses all of its power plants and bridges, loses Khuzestan and Bushehr which holds 90% of its energy resources, but continues to sink a few tankers in the Strait of Hormuz, Iran has won the war per your definition? lmao

This is basically what I was saying to you yesterday. What is the end goal here? Regime change and remove Iranian control of Hormuz. You can't control Hormuz without regime change.

 

[ShapurII]

I didn't say it would not cost Iran or hurt Iran. This is war, and yes, Iran is taking bigger hits than the region or the USA. What are the politicial goals and objectives of both sides, and who is closer to meeting them.

That's the most ridiculous thing I have read in a while.

So, if Iran loses 5 trillion dollars, loses its entire energy resources to the enemy and turns into an inhabitable wasteland because it can no longer sustain life but sinks 2 tankers in the Strait of Hormuz which has limited effect on the global economy, Iran has won the war. OK! lol

 

[Flotilla]

By the way. Seems that US is not bombing the industrial interior cities of the country.

That sounds weird to me, because we can conclude that in different cities of the country Irán is assembling new ballistic and cruise missiles and drones.

That recall me the political restrictions suffered also in Vietnam that ultimately took US to defeat.

What people think about that?.

 

[ShapurII]

This is basically what I was saying to you yesterday. What is the end goal here? Regime change and remove Iranian control of Hormuz. You can't control Hormuz without regime change.

You can control the Strait of Hormuz without regime change as well.

All you need to do is to force the regime to surrender by invading Khuzestan and Bushehr which holds 90% of our energy infrastructure and resources. You could even force the regime to surrender the Strait of Hormuz indefinitely as well as the Hormozgan Province in exchange for retaking Bushehr and Khuzestan. The possibilities are limitless contrary to what you think.

If you see Iran has lost both Khuzestan and Bushehr, and the US is willing to exchange them for renouncing Iran's right to the Strait of Hormuz, will you not accept it?

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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Did IRGC attack Trump's towers in UAE? If true, it remains to be seen if insurance would cover the impacts of those Iranian missiles! Perhaps that is why Trump went on rampage and attacked the civilian infrastructure in Iran last night.

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[Meengla]

Good analysis on a question asked frequently around here....why has the conflict resumed.

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Any Iranian here deluding about accepting Israel, forgetting the Palestinian 'cause', etc etc is probably deluded: It is too late for that. There is no way Netanyahu going to stop from making Iran a vassal state, preferably with fragmentation like in Libya and Syria. Iran is here due to its own policies since 1979. One may give them credit for the only Muslim state which stood for the Palestinians (though Iran did/does have its own regional goals), but it is too late for any course correction unless and until Iran wards off the existential threat to its very nationhood.
Figure out the governance model after you have taken care of the external threat.

 

[sharreman10]

You can control the Strait of Hormuz without regime change as well.

All you need to do is to force the regime to surrender by invading Khuzestan and Bushehr which holds 90% of our energy infrastructure and resources. You could even force the regime to surrender the Strait of Hormuz indefinitely as well as the Hormozgan Province in exchange for retaking Bushehr and Khuzestan. The possibilities are limitless contrary to what you think.

If you see Iran has lost both Khuzestan and Bushehr, and the US is willing to exchange them for renouncing Iran's right to the Strait of Hormuz, will you not accept it?

How would you hold Khuzestan and Bushehr? It's not Lichtenstein in size. You would need a lot of troops, a lot.

 

[ShapurII]

How would you hold Khuzestan and Bushehr? It's not Lichtenstein in size. You would need a lot of troops, a lot.

By establishing military bases there? They also have multiple bases around Iran which can be used as well. It's not like the US lacks enough military presence near Khuzestan and Bushehr.

How did the US stay in Deir Ez-Zur in Syria throughout the Syrian Civil War? Assad didn't even bother to kick the US out after they occupied Deir Ez-Zur and took control of Syria's oil fields.

As long as Iran has no air force to move troops, and relies on land routes only, the US threat is very serious. And it is already too late for building an air force.

 

[Master Chief]

USAF bombed bridges behind Normandy beaches to make sure the German reinforcements cannot make it to the front lines to fight the beach invasions. It will restrict ground movement of troops to engage potential US landings.

Exactly. Iran's forces cannot deploy everywhere. Logistics are being harmed to stop Iran's forces moving quickly from a to b to c when we finally cross that rubicon and see ground forces (either US or mixed) engaging the defenders at close quarters. It's always been about logistics. Both US and Iran are fully cognisant of this reality.

At the moment, one may assume that a wide range of logistics nodes are being bombed to keep Artesh guessing about where the planned incursions will be. Air superiority helps keep USA one step ahead of Iran in this domain.

 

[Ali_Baba]

That's the most ridiculous thing I have read in a while.

Ok - cool then ?

So, if Iran loses 5 trillion dollars,

Iran does not have 5 trillion dollars of infrastructure to lose, nor does the USA have the supplies for that even if Iran did.

loses its entire energy resources to the enemy

Iran is not losing its energy resources because Iran has established clearly the region will also lose its energy resources at the same time.

and turns into an inhabitable wasteland because it can no longer sustain life but sinks 2 tankers in the Strait of Hormuz which has limited effect on the global economy, Iran has won the war. OK! lol

The USA does not have the ability to do this, you are over inflating what the USA can afford to achieve. The USA does not have unlimited resources, or unlimited time for anything. The clock is ticking on the Americans.

I am not Iranian, so my judgement is not being clouded with anger and hate right now. It is clinical, and logical.

If you find my posting that ridiculous, please put me on ignore and you wont have to suffer my views anymore!

 

[Persian Gulf]

Not the Bahrain oil refinery?

I haven't seen any confirmation of that from Bahrain, Iran, or satellite imagery.