Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[HAIDER]

seems Israeli are also fully involved strikes on Iran.

 

[Flotilla]

Then Trump as usual went and threw that understanding out the window and restarted the war because he didn’t like the terms of the MoU. Now China is once again importing because why should it reduce its strategic oil reserves if the war is not going to end?

I agree at this point.

Maybe China, Russia and US had a secret deal for allowing Trump a small window of opportunity to reach a deal.

But if China let fall Irán, all carriers will go directly to South East China sea as next stop.

And, ironically, if China starts buying oíl again, probably that would help Trump to TACO again, unlike this kind of pact you're describing.

 

[Persian Gulf]

massive ongoing fires in Kuwait

 

[Immortals]

 

[Persian Gulf]

@Kyussis how many times do you have to be told to avoid personal attacks / insults?

 

[Immortals]

But if China let fall Irán, all carriers will go directly to South East China sea as next stop.

China doesn’t care if Iran falls, Russia falls, or Pakistan falls. It has no bearing on China and it will adjust.

You have to realize Chinese communist party is a godless group of individuals. The concept of strategic alliance doesn’t exist in their minds.

Some might point to Russia and say Xi would never let Putin fall. This is a mistake. China still hasn’t forgiven Russia for turning its back on what Lenin and Stalin built. Mao hated Soviet Union/Russia for turning its back on communism. So in China’s eyes, Russia is a gas station and nothing more.

And, ironically, if China starts buying oíl again, probably that would help Trump to TACO again, unlike this kind of pact you're describing.

It’s too late to TACO. The battle for Hormuz has started. Neither side is gonna give it up. Iran cannot afford to give it up because it would have no future leverage.

 

[Flotilla]

Your analysis doesn't help though...

China backed the ceasefire... pushed Pakistan and alleviated the global pressure by using their own reserves...

For China to resume buying now means that cushion is lost at the worst possible time for orange... he has not only no alternative... he burnt through the US reserves simultaneously. That when Russians themselves are feeling the pinch because their refining capacity has taken a devastating hit. They're importing fuel...

Putin played it badly... he allowed Ukraine to stabilize and establish their niche... his task is harder as EU goes on offensive. However, Russian front has greatly helped Iran in other ways... such as the depletion of critical munitions and interceptors that keep getting chewed up in that war. The US itself needs the sour crude as the winter approaches for heating oil consumers. It means a whole lot of oil is going off market while the reserves are heading to the bottom.
Orange overplayed his ego...

While I agree with the core of your statements, please don't forget that when Putin reached the Presidency of Russia, he inherited a bankrupt country with virtually no real Air force and a tenth part of the previous Soviet Army.
The Russian Navy was obsolete and just strategic missile forces and nuclear ballistic submarines were somewhat operative.
Putin did not have enough power to stop plans of Colin Powell and George Bush to deploy ABM systems in Poland and Romania.

I recall when the announcement was done that he said that US and Europe were to regret of that moving... And ultimately they did.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Flotilla]

China doesn’t care if Iran falls, Russia falls, or Pakistan falls. It has no bearing on China and it will adjust.

You have to realize Chinese communist party is a godless group of individuals. The concept of strategic alliance doesn’t exist in their minds.

Some might point to Russia and say Xi would never let Putin fall. This is a mistake. China still hasn’t forgiven Russia for turning its back on what Lenin and Stalin built. Mao hated Soviet Union/Russia for turning its back on communism. So in China’s eyes, Russia is a gas station and nothing more.



It’s too late to TACO. The battle for Hormuz has started. Neither side is gonna give it up. Iran cannot afford to give it up because it would have no future leverage.

I don't agree.

You have witness how poliestirene airframes of Shaheds manufactured in China are reaching Irán to continue assembling them even in non industrial assembly lines.

We can extrapolate other raw materials coming from China for allowing Irán to continue the war.

For sure China will always pursue and defend their national interests first. But if they let fall Islamic Republic, no other obstacle for keeping tens of thousands troops stationed in the US branchs in the Middle East.

Let's see if Trump doesn't TACO...

 

[SolarWarden]

Bad bad move on the part of IRGC. You don't threaten the destruction of a nation and its people that have nukes and whose leadership has been looking for the excuse to make sure IRGC is never a threat again.

 

[HAIDER]

Bad bad move on the part of IRGC. You don't threaten the destruction of a nation and its people that have nukes and whose leadership has been looking for the excuse to make sure IRGC is never a threat again.

Russia has over 6000 nukes and Ukraine has non....those nukes are helpful ?

 

[Master Chief]

I don't agree.

You have witness how poliestirene airframes of Shaheds manufactured in China are reaching Irán to continue assembling them even in non industrial assembly lines.

We can extrapolate other raw materials coming from China for allowing Irán to continue the war.

For sure China will always pursue and defend their national interests first. But if they let fall Islamic Republic, no other obstacle for keeping tens of thousands troops stationed in the US branchs in the Middle East.

Let's see if Trump doesn't TACO...

People laugh at the TACO, perhaps rightly so.

But one must remember that every TACO is still an exertion of US control on the timeline, the off-ramp, the narrative of this war.

I would not be so hasty as to ridicule the TACO and, even worse, to regard every TACO as some sort of "victory".

Iran's most important evolutionary step needs to be that of controlling the timeline of conflict by controlling the off-ramps. Without that, USA and Trump will continue to do whatever USA pleases, and every TACO episode will cause net harm to Iran.

 

[Shags101]

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are we finally heading towards a massive attack from Iran against Israel Hezbollah Houthis Iraqis and iran but honestly they shouldn’t telegraph it because if they now just threatened Israel with a devastating sustained attack the Israelis might attack first

 

[Aryan_B]

Russia has over 6000 nukes and Ukraine has non....those nukes are helpful ?

whey repeat this myth? its not Ukraine its all of Nato proxy ukraine vs Russia

 

[Immortals]

While I agree with the core of your statements, please don't forget that when Putin reached the Presidency of Russia, he inherited a bankrupt country with virtually no real Air force and a tenth part of the previous Soviet Army.

No real Airforce? Are you joking me? The post Soviet Union Airforce was VERY STRONG and MUCH more relevant than the RussianAirforce today. You forget Russian airforce was one of the best 4th gen fighting forces in the world. Go look up when SU-27 or MiG-29 was built. When SU-30 was built, the backbone of the Russian airforce today.

In fact Russian airforce and military equipment started falling behind from 2007-2026 when the 4++, 5th gen, AESA, UAV, BVR era started or else from 1990-2005 Russian military equipment was still very deadly.

Putin much like Rouhani/Khatami thought that cooperation with the West would ultimately be rewarded with acceptance. Putin considered himself as part of the Western world and the Anglo-Saxon Christian framework. He thought Russia was different than the brown people of the Middle East or the yellow people of Asia. He thought they were beneath Russia.

In the end the West kept stringing Putin along and eroding Russia’s borders. Then when finally Putin admitted to himself what was long see to outside observers — that the U.S. had no interest in peer to peer relations with Russia, it was too late. And then you saw how fast the West confiscated Russian assets, pulled western firms out of Russia, and assassinated Russian officials.

Putin did not have enough power to stop plans of Colin Powell and George Bush to deploy ABM systems in Poland and Romania.

Non sense. Russia could have steamrolled Ukraine back when the first war broke out. Zelensky didn’t exist. Ukraine had no real military post revolution. And Ukraine was still lost and divided as a nation. Hence why Russia easily took Crimea and was on the verge of taking Kyiev over a decade ago when Merkel made fake promises to Putin and convinced him to sign the Minsk agreements.

Putin now realizes those were the most detrimental agreements signed in modern Russian history. The ramifications which are seen today.