Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[OldTwilight]

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Why not just accept unconditional surrender and then we can save even Khamenei. @ShapurII

The reformers are even worse than PGCC Arabs , at least the Arabs sold their souls to achieve luxury , these reformers just enjoy being submitted to the westerns

 

[OldTwilight]

Refullers never fly unescorted. It's a common misconception to think the US would risk flying a giant gas tank without a means to protect it in some way.

If the karear drone could move beyond the propaganda context , it could become a very lethal danger for these aircrafts

 

[Flotilla]

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video of interception and images of wreckage being recovered from the Persian Gulf

This doesn't seems to be an MQ9 reaper. Their fuselage is not circular and also in the image doesn't appear the SATCOM antenna. There lack in the video the low vertical fin of them. IMO It is a Hermes 450.

 

[RescueRanger]

If the karear drone could move beyond the propaganda context , it could become a very lethal danger for these aircrafts

Would need to know it's capabilities and how they compare to any countermeasures the US have.

The US ensure that use save haven orbits, stand off routing, on-baord electronic countermeasures and fighter escorts.

This multilayered approach has been the cornerstone of allowing these aircraft to operate in hostile environments without exposing them to enemy attacks.

Short of a fast moving interceptor it's difficult to imagine how a slow moving drone would be able to penetrate their AOO at altitudes between 19000-35000 feet.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

8 separatist terrorists injured by Iranian drone attack.

Drone attack injures 8 Iranian-Kurdish rebels in Iraq
At least eight members of the exiled Kurdistan Freedom Party (PAK) have been wounded in an unmanned aerial vehicle attack in northwest Iraq.

Adib Khaldian, a member of PAK, told AFP at 2am (23:00 GMT, Saturday), “Iranian forces attacked with a drone” a camp belonging to the group in Erbil’s Darashakran area.

On Friday, drone and rocket attacks blamed on Iran killed nine members of the Komala Party, another Iranian-Kurdish opposition group.

Various Iranian-Kurdish groups, which share close ties with Iraqi Kurds, have long opposed Tehran from bases in northern Iraq and along the Iraq-Iran border.

Soon after the US and Israel launched attacks on Iran in February, news reports suggested Trump was talking with Iranian and Iraqi Kurdish groups, and Washington was hoping to use them to spur a popular uprising.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Iran says vessels involved ‘accident’ in Hormuz as it blocks the strait​

Iran’s Revolutionary Guard navy says two ships attempting to leave the Strait of Hormuz via what it described an “unsafe route” were involved in “accidents” and stopped, while two others refused to continue along the route.

It did not specify what the accidents involved.

The IRGC claimed the vessels disabled their navigation systems and ignored warnings. Ships carrying oil, gas, or fertilizer must obtain permission and use its designated passage, it added, warning vessels entering other routes risk “accidents”.

Since the signing of a memorandum of understanding with Washington in mid-June, Tehran has maintained it has authority over the narrow waterway, a vital chokepoint for global energy exports.

Iran says vessels should use a shipping lane closer to the Iranian coast, rather than one nearer Oman, and has attacked ships it says failed to comply.

 

[OldTwilight]

Would need to know it's capabilities and how they compare to any countermeasures the US have.

The US ensure that use save haven orbits, stand off routing, on-baord electronic countermeasures and fighter escorts.

This multilayered approach has been the cornerstone of allowing these aircraft to operate in hostile environments without exposing them to enemy attacks.

Short of a fast moving interceptor it's difficult to imagine how a slow moving drone would be able to penetrate their AOO at altitudes between 19000-35000 feet.

Karrar is jet powered engine , it can increase the risk for them ...

Bit my idea is to use modified hypersonic missiles with trajectory like fownix missiles to target air refueler from 1000 km away....

 

[RescueRanger]

Karrar is jet powered engine , it can increase the risk for them ...

Bit my idea is to use modified hypersonic missiles with trajectory like fownix missiles to target air refueler from 1000 km away....

Again drones jet powered or not unless used to swarm an area pose little operational risk to these aircraft at the heights they operate.

What you would need is fast moving interceptors and BVR capability.

 

[BHAN85]

Iran most powerful weapon is Strait of Hormuz. if Iran closes it can devastate world economies.

Weapon against who?

Devastate world economies, same target than USA tariffs. Maybe it's exactly what it wants who decided this war.

The people who decided this war, USA ruling elite, will enjoy same life standards with Hormuz strait closed or open, with world economies devastated or not. They are economically immune, because they have endless money, and they are militarily protected, naturally protected by two oceans.

No way of Iran achieving deterrence against the devils who decided this war in USA mainland.

Iran only can expect to achieve deterrence against the slaves who fulfill USA ruling elite devils orders.

USA ruling elite fcking world economy actively has been more than a theory last years. A way to control ascend of China, and future supply problems of raw materials and energy, decreasing world consumption.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Iran to seize Kuwaiti bases with force if Iranian islands are invaded

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Any ground invasion by Iran into both Iraq and Kuwait will blow open the Trump narrative of being in control of the war and will show the war escalating and getting out of control and destabilizing the one country that USA has spent years to try and stabilize again ie Iraq.

It will cost the Iranians a lot to try and do this though without air cover, I dont see any possibility of an island attempt given the lack of navy, but a land invasion of some kind of Iraq is possible(but still too expensive)

 

[OldTwilight]

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[OldTwilight]

Any ground invasion by Iran into both Iraq and Kuwait will blow open the Trump narrative of being in control of the war and will show the war escalating and getting out of control and destabilizing the one country that USA has spent years to try and stabilize again ie Iraq... It will cost the Iranians a lot to try and do this though without air cover.

This is just a trap

 

[Homajon]

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What I observed in the last couple of months is that many of those Iranians who previously thought like him, made exactly the same transformation like him.

It is more and more only the absolute radical core left, who refuse to admit they were wrong, but they are so few in numbers.....let them continue to live in bitterness and agony...

 

[KingQamaR]

The problem is Trump's ego and the need to be seen to be "winning" at everything all the time, because you know, he is a "winner".

Looking at the low volume of attacks overnight, has the USA just lost the Battle of Hormuz and are they now deterred to some extent with their casualties or is it the quiet before the storm ?

The generals and admirals against this war who got fired recently are starting to look like exemplary tacticians Lol Regarding Hormuz what was the Pentagon thinking? Any Iranian allies group with drones can also keep the strait shut too. I guess US military aren’t thinking.

 

[Ali_Baba]

The generals and admirals against this war who got fired recently are starting to look like exemplary tacticians Lol Regarding Hormuz what was the Pentagon thinking? Any Iranian allies group with drones can also keep the strait shut too. I guess US military aren’t thinking.

It is Trump, and he "bedtime whispers" from Netanyahu that have led him, and the USA into this quagmire that they are struggling to backout of right now.

Trump doesn't seem to listen to the advice of experts any where for anything it seems.