Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Desert]

Why not , what is the need of the moment ?

Do you think israel needs Egypt to go to war against iran ? they don't need us, they have the best equipments and better trained personals than us.

the ones who want us to go in war against iran is either UAE or Saudis and I doubt it was Saudis because they also use our ports to transfer their oil after houthis' blockade in bab el-mandab. so its probably UAE , still not sure.

 

[MS Sandhu]

If I give you a knife to defend yourself from a rapist, and you attack the rapist pre-emptively, is it my fault for helping you to defend yourself or is it your own stupidity?

You knew what they were gonna do with that knife but you thought you can use their stupidity for your own advantage but then everything got backfired.You exposed your other tentacles also in an attempt to contain the bear but everything got cut to its size along the way and now the bear is hitting you right in your own backbone and there is no way out now.

This wasn't the right strategy from the very beginning but if you still want to carry the baggage, please continue.

 

[Immortals]

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More fake threats from Qalibaf and the gang of incompetents

 

[Watandar]

You knew what they were gonna do with that knife but you thought you can use their stupidity for your own advantage but then everything got backfired.You exposed your other tentacles also in an attempt to contain the bear but everything got cut to its size along the way and now the bear is hitting you right in your own backbone and there is no way out now.

This wasn't the right strategy from the very beginning but if you still want to carry the baggage, please continue.

Poking the bear....

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[ShapurII]

You knew what they were gonna do with that knife but you thought you can use their stupidity for your own advantage but then everything got backfired.You exposed your other tentacles also in an attempt to contain the bear but everything got cut to its size along the way and now the bear is hitting you right in your own backbone and there is no way out now.

This wasn't the right strategy from the very beginning but if you still want to carry the baggage, please continue.

So, bottom line is that you agree it was Hamas's stupidity that caused all of this, not the knife itself.

Also, the fact that Hamas didn't share its plan with Iran and attacked Israel without informing Iran, as confirmed by both Hamas and Iran, proves that Iran was most likely not in line with their idea of pre-emptive war against Israel. Not to mention that the tactics Hamas employed for starting the war weren't exactly done using our weapons, i.e. using rockets and ATGMs.

But I agree with you that this wasn't the right strategy. Iran has and had no business in Palestine. Palestinians do not want our help and our interference in their affairs has brought nothing good to Palestine, nor to Iran. We should let other Muslim countries who are better liked by Palestinians take care of the situation.

 

[Shags101]

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Saudi Arabia killed 5 IRGC members in Iraq

and IRGC does not respond

pack it up

Man every time you and @Immortals do this defeatist bit Iran comes up swinging so please keep up with the pessimism I mean honestly I haven’t really been wrong yet if we were betting I would be up between the two of you

 

[MS Sandhu]

Also, the fact that Hamas didn't share its plan with Iran and attacked Israel without informing Iran, as confirmed by both Hamas and Iran, proves that Iran was most likely not in line with their idea of pre-emptive war against Israel.

You were not involved in planning the attack but still used HZ to expand the war theatre and then used Houthis to enforce blockade in BaM?
When you look at the whole picture, it is clear that Iran was the main lead of this whole season and they had everything planned in advance.

 

[kobra]

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[ShapurII]

You were not involved in planning the attack but still used HZ to expand the war theatre and then used Houthis to enforce blockade in BaM?
When you look at the whole picture, it is clear that Iran was the main lead of this whole season and they had everything planned in advance.

Hezbollah was going to get attacked anyway. If you checked Israeli, Lebanese and even Palestinian analysts at the time, everybody talked about Israel attacking Lebanon in March/April right after October 7th. It was so certain that they even had narrowed down the time of the attack to early spring.

The facts that the Israeli security apparatus did not stop October 7th and the Israeli army let it continue for 3-4 days before responding are very suspicious on their own.

 

[Meengla]

Disingenuous to claim that. Especially after Iran did the exact same thing in the Strait a few days before. The Saudis did not instigate any war at the behest of anyone. They've shut up and taken repeated Iranian hits without responding for a reason, surprisingly wisely and against their usual self. The decision to send the aircraft to Yemen in defiance to a stated embargo, legal or not, was the instigation. The Saudis reverting back to their foolishness, wholly unsurprisingly, responded by dropping bombs. The Houthis in their infinite wisdom then decided to escalate it exponentially. The Iraqi militias feeling left out, jumped in as well. Now that the genie is out, good luck to all the geniuses involved in this.

All that because violence is 'normalized' in the Middle East. Add to your list, the Israeli folly of attacking Qatar, which was a strategic blunder.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Explosions heard in Erbil​

Iraqi media is reporting a series of explosions in Erbil in northern Iraq.

We will bring you more updates as the situation develops.

 

[Shags101]

Explosions heard in Erbil​

Iraqi media is reporting a series of explosions in Erbil in northern Iraq.

We will bring you more updates as the situation develops.

Explosions heard in Erbil​

Iraqi media is reporting a series of explosions in Erbil in northern Iraq.

We will bring you more updates as the situation develops.
I always have to go to Al Jazeera it seems like this sounds a bit different not no one off drone or a couple could be something a bit more menacing will see but I always like to imagine these guys overrunning bases full of idf soldiers(bet there’s quite a few idf and Mossad in those American bases)

 

[Meengla]

Iran rightly draws criticism for her strategy and tactics and probably also her poor sense of geopolitical timing, but to summarily blame Iran for this conflagration is not based in reality.

Nobody should blame Iran exclusively for the latest flare up but now even the most pro Iran Pakistani analysts are cautiously saying that Iran should exercise more discretion than it has shown. The Strait is Iran's unless there is a 'regime change' and so firing lethal weaponry onto those cargo ships just as the Ayatollah funeral was going on was not the wisest move. No civilian ship captain would dare even some drones coming in threatening way; lethality was not needed.
Honestly, it seems like Iranian govt has been pushed to so much isolation, threats, and desperation for decades that their decisions are not rational at times. I posted a video a few hours ago of Pakistan's Dr. Shazia Cheema in which, she, like the great Pakistani former diplomat Khursheed Kasuri, are carefully saying that Iran should be more careful and calculating. Ms. Cheema even brought up how the Iranian officials not so subtly humiliated the (uninvited) Saudi delegation to the Ayatollah funeral by reciting Quranic verses meant to humiliate the visitors. That was uncalled for!

 

[BHAN85]

Do you think israel needs Egypt to go to war against iran ? they don't need us, they have the best equipments and better trained personals than us.

the ones who want us to go in war against iran is either UAE or Saudis and I doubt it was Saudis because they also use our ports to transfer their oil after houthis' blockade in bab el-mandab. so its probably UAE , still not sure.

I think they need anyone to do dirty job.

Anyone except them is ok.

 

[kobra]

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Resistance is over in Gaza.. peace prevails now hopefully. Israil has achieved massively since Oct 24.. Finished Hezbullah leadership and threat, Finished Hamas and Gaza, Hostile GOvt in Syia gone, Friendly Govt is put there and more land everyday from them.. Borders saved, arch enemy Iran's leadership killed, nuclear sites bombed and delivered heavy blows...

Israil has been the clear winner in terms of strategic gains it achieved in less than two years, what did Oct 7 achieved?