Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

ShapurII said:
You should be extremely naive to think that this pact is meant to fight against Israel.

And even if you think this pact is meant for reducing the dependence of any of its parties on the US, that's even worse. It is simply unrealistic and delusional.

Iran should sign a deal with the United States and normalize its relations with Israel at least covertly, like Saudi Arabia has already done so, and Turkey has been quite friendly to Israel for decades already, then we should throw Arabs under the bus, and end the war with Israel. That will resolve the main obstacle between permanent peace with the United States. If not, the US and Israel will continue to encircle Iran through their NATO ally, Turkey, and their regional proxies, i.e. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

Let's not forget that Turkey paved the way for attacking Iran by overthrowing Assad, which happened behind the scenes with the blessing of Russia. Soon, Turkey and Saudi Arabia will interfere in Lebanon and Iraq as well. Iran should be wise and make the right decision before it loses even more of its cards in the region.
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I don't think Turkey has interest in attacking Irán or just allowing third actors to do It. That would be a whole mess for them, from nationalistic demands of kurdish and others to undesired presence of regional powers under their frontier.

But I agree this pact cannot work against Israel. At least right now. All three are so damn dependent on US logistics that in few weeks they would have completely non operative their Air force or Air defenses systems.

Just Pakistán are slowly being disengaged of the US/NATO logistics, but will take years for being completely independent to them. And Turkey and Saudí Arabia at least 20 years.

That is the bitter truth.
 


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Shags101 said:
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certain things I believe are misinformation coming from the White House especially how axios seems to be getting supposed inside information I believe troops in the Middle East have a shortage for sure the past round if anything showed that Iranian missiles have been penetrating these defenses far more than before
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There is a lot of bukkake theater being projected. I no more believe anything that comes from Axios than I do any other MSM outlet.
 
Flotilla said:
I don't think Turkey has interest in attacking Irán or just allowing third actors to do It. That would be a whole mess for them, from nationalistic demands of kurdish and others to undesired presence of regional powers under their frontier.

But I agree this pact cannot work against Israel. At least right now. All three are so damn dependent on US logistics that in few weeks they would have completely non operative their Air force or Air defenses systems.

Just Pakistán are slowly being disengaged of the US/NATO logistics, but will take years for being completely independent to them. And Turkey and Saudí Arabia at least 20 years.

That is the bitter truth.
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Bro, you're repeating what the American media are saying about Turkey.

Why do you think Republic of Azerbaijan is purchasing long-range drones and is investing its navy? Does Armenia have access to the Caspian Sea? How large is Armenia from west to east?

Turkey itself is one of the countries that might get involved with the Republic of Azerbaijan against Iran's territorial integrity from the northwest, and you think Turkey has no desire for chaos in Iran. OK.
 
ShapurII said:
The truth is that they're encircling Iran with the help of Turkey and the sooner Iran signs a deal with the US and at least covertly normalizes its relations with Israel, the better.
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Not to mention Azerbaijan and US armed Talibanistan.
 
ShapurII said:
Bro, you're repeating what the American media are saying about Turkey.

Why do you think Republic of Azerbaijan is purchasing long-range drones and is investing its navy? Does Armenia have access to the Caspian Sea? How large is Armenia from west to east?

Turkey itself is one of the countries that might get involved with the Republic of Azerbaijan against Iran's territorial integrity from the northwest, and you think Turkey has no desire for chaos in Iran. OK.
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Turkey has been spreading racist pan Turkic propaganda against Iran since the mid 2000s as I remember. The Turkey/Baku axis seems like a bigger threat than Saud or Pakistan. A significant number of the Pakistani people views Iran in a friendly manner. Wolf howling pan Turkic "ultranationalists" view half the world including much of Iran as theirs.
 
BananaRepublic said:
Bro,

I highly doubt Pakistan will be Saudi’s Gurkha slaves. Let alone Turks. Turks would eat the Saudis for breakfast.

They don’t even stoop that low for US.

Saudis have always been seen as people to rule over instead of ruled by.

I don’t know a single Muslim group that sees the Saudis as rulers. Except the Mullahs on their payroll.
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Turks are broke

Pakistanis are broke

Saudis got $$$$$

This is just a way for the broke countries to milk the rich country.
 
Remember when Putin continued his disastrous foreign policy and sold S-400 to Turkey and said he would sell SU-35 and SU-57 if Turkey requested it?

Meanwhile Turkey supplied TB-2 in the early days of war that killed hundreds of Russian soldiers before Russia properly set up air defenses?

Now Turkey once again is aiding Ukraine.

Meanwhile Russia has refused for years to provide Iran high ticket weapon systems. What does one call this level of incompetence in foreign policy? Why is Putin still allowed to lead Russia?

 
Immortals said:
Turks are broke

Pakistanis are broke

Saudis got $$$$$

This is just a way for the broke countries to milk the rich country.
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KSA can't get more $$$ without security in Hormuz. So it's win win for both.

But people become too emotional when the thing to sell is the army.

It's what USA always has done.

If KSA security depends more of local actors and less of USA, a country in another continent, it's a good news for everybody in the region, even for Iran.
 
Well from what all the reports are saying Iran hasn’t surrendering but actually making stronger demands I guess their plans are to take this to the midterms and make republicans squirm and collapse honestly looks like a pretty good plan either trump finally admits he can’t win this the way he wants and actually negotiates on fair terms and has to treat Iran on equal footing or go to war for real with boots on the ground either way to late to change the equation economy for middle class and poor was already bad now it’s become even worse and trump has his head in clouds blaming everyone else but himself…..and Bibi….and anyone gullible who thought this war would’ve been easily won
 
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