Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Magi said:
Iran offered energy through the IP line. Based on all evidence what limits Pakistan's potential more than anything is the lack of affordable and reliable energy. Not dollars. Imagine the industrial potential of 130 million Pakistanis with that. But Pakistan is unable to act in the interest of its people because:

Former colonizers rarely grant full autonomy to their colonies. They always leave behind a dependent ruling class. Despite the China connection, Islamabad seems more western aligned. "Defeating" US in Afghanistan and the like are just empty feel good statements and far from reality which the reality that is obvious to anyone paying attention.
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The Iran-Pakistan pipeline was not completed and operationalized due to US sanctions.

The most effective weapon the US actually has are the economic sanctions. Iran must use this conflict to get rid of all these sanctions. It's a bigger issue than Strait of Hormuz. If Iran can be sanctions-free, a whole new world of possibilities opens up.
 
tsunset said:
Instead of signing defense pacts with countries that cannot help Pakistan militarily, Pakistan should have signed one with Iran

Iran can help with offensive arsenals and productions whereas Saudi Arabia can't
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iran and turkiye have the common interest of control kurdish people.

iran and pakistan have the common interest of control baloch people.

so they dont need to sign anything.

iran is a invisible part of the pact, iran war can never go in too bad terms for iran with such defenders of ksa.
 
BHAN85 said:
they have a 40 trillion debt to lose if they instigate a big conflict
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If all bubbles are getting popped, they don't instigate the conflict worldwide to serve as a distraction, then they may face the internal civil war.
 
Watandar said:
The Iran-Pakistan pipeline was not completed and operationalized due to US sanctions.

The most effective weapon the US actually has are the economic sanctions. Iran must use this conflict to get rid of all these sanctions. It's a bigger issue than Strait of Hormuz. If Iran can be sanctions-free, a whole new world of possibilities opens up.
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An Iran in control of the Strait is an even bigger adversary in US world view. That is why the US will never lift sanctions on Iran. The question that needs to be asked is how did decades of abiding by US sanctions work out for Pakistan? Would the alternative of ignoring sanctions and using Iranian energy and Chinese technology create a more prosperous Pakistan compared to today? How much worse could things get? The only way sanctions go away is when countries start ignoring them. I suppose the answer is irrelevant without independence.
 
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BHAN85 said:
iran and turkiye have the common interest of control kurdish people.

iran and pakistan have the common interest of control baloch people.

so they dont need to sign anything.

iran is a invisible part of the pact, iran war can never go in too bad terms for iran with such defenders of ksa.
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Iran and Turkey have that eternal unwritten peace agreement that every direct war will be disastrous for both and happiness to all of their friends and enemies...No can control Kurdish effectively, because 'national state' is waste of time for their clans, their land is eternal borderline between empires, regardless of which empires existed in different periods...so you are each other's destiny...as 500 years before, so centuries in the future...

No one say they will start war with Iran...but Iran suddenly is becoming Muslim superpower, they are creating coordination body to "discipline" Iran, they can soft sabotage Iranian control over Hormuz with mutual requests, or to ask Iran to cut the ties with Houthis entirely, for a greater Muslim interest...got it...

Iran is equal in power with Russia now, miscalculations are doomed for their enemies...even some friends...

Iran did great job for China, indirectly, but did for itself also...unavoidable in most important areas...

This is much more political and almost no military, and even less religious friendship...and is resulted by Iranian results...simply one, you have to agree...
 
Immortals said:
Saudi energy facilities burning in Jubail



When are Pakistan and Turkey going to join the conflict?
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Saudi Arabia can’t handle Houthis alone there has been a lot of hype that the Saudi military is the primer military of the Middle East a rag tag group like the Houthis should be no problem they need a many countries to protect their land,sea and air from attack I guess Saudi Arabia is no better capabilities than Kuwait Bahrain Qatar UAE or Jordan if they need multiple countries to protect their territory from big bad Houthis…..I just had to seriously night
 
Hazard said:
Brother, I think Turkey has a bigger fish to fry, Israelis are all over Cyprus and will soon be knocking Turkey's doors.

Don't think Turkey is interested in stirring any other pot at the moment.
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But Israelis are buying lands on the Greek Cyprus, no?

Honestly, maybe it's my ignorance, but I do not see any probable scenario where Turkey and Israel would clash over in the next 10-15 years. If anything, I think Turkey is playing the role of the US hidden power projection in the region perfectly. A role that Saudi Arabia with its influence in the Muslim world failed to play for decades and the US finally decided to assign it to Turkey.
 
Flotilla said:
So let me understand the events.
USAF deploy a half dozen and unknown number of fighters along all Persian Gulf, but hours after someone hit a tanker in South corridor, am I right?.

Doesn't that imply that the US doesn't actually control the Strait of Hormuz?.
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Iran lost the war 50 times already if you go by what some members here are pushing!
 
Shags101 said:
Saudi Arabia can’t handle Houthis alone there has been a lot of hype that the Saudi military is the primer military of the Middle East a rag tag group like the Houthis should be no problem they need a many countries to protect their land,sea and air from attack I guess Saudi Arabia is no better capabilities than Kuwait Bahrain Qatar UAE or Jordan if they need multiple countries to protect their territory from big bad Houthis…..I just had to seriously night
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No army can defeat houthis now , their geography and training are hard as f**** .. Egypt lost to Yemeni fighters in 60s. and that loss led to Israel going to Sinai without any resistance.
 
Bratva said:
The audacity of commenting on other nation affairs when one own nation is highly infiltrated by Mossad/CIA which gets it's own Leadership (Civilian, Military, Scientists) killed and then the same moles send pictures of dead body of the leadership to Mossad. And the news of Death is confirmed by Mossad/CIA first instead of coming from own Iranian officials.

In short, concentrate on topic.
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Pakistan should nominate Trump for the Nobel Peace prize a few more times!
 
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