Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Al-Zakir]

Its their own choice. USA is a pariah state with a terrorist as their leader. What can one expect?

Everyone hates them. They have already lost many things.

Americans have no difference with wild animals at this moment.

Salam brother and welcome back. I'm glad to know you are safe and healthy.

 

[Magi]

If Iran had showered dollars and oil on the Pakistan Establishment for decades, like Saudia has done, or dollars and guns like the US has done, than what you say would have been possible. They are allies of whoever fills their bank account.

But US sanctions get in the way. Iran could borrow a page from the Saudi/US book after this war.

Iran offered energy through the IP line. Based on all evidence what limits Pakistan's potential more than anything is the lack of affordable and reliable energy. Not dollars. Not borderline slave labor "remittances." Imagine the industrial potential of 130 million Pakistanis tapping into unlimited Iranian energy. From there, the sky would be the limit to our relations. But Pakistan is unable to act in the interest of its people because:

Former colonizers rarely grant full autonomy to their colonies. They always leave behind a dependent ruling class. Despite the China connection, Islamabad seems more western aligned. "Defeating" US in Afghanistan and the like are just empty feel good statements and far from the reality that is obvious to anyone paying attention.

 

[Watandar]

Iran offered energy through the IP line. Based on all evidence what limits Pakistan's potential more than anything is the lack of affordable and reliable energy. Not dollars. Imagine the industrial potential of 130 million Pakistanis with that. But Pakistan is unable to act in the interest of its people because:

Former colonizers rarely grant full autonomy to their colonies. They always leave behind a dependent ruling class. Despite the China connection, Islamabad seems more western aligned. "Defeating" US in Afghanistan and the like are just empty feel good statements and far from reality which the reality that is obvious to anyone paying attention.

The Iran-Pakistan pipeline was not completed and operationalized due to US sanctions.

The most effective weapon the US actually has are the economic sanctions. Iran must use this conflict to get rid of all these sanctions. It's a bigger issue than Strait of Hormuz. If Iran can be sanctions-free, a whole new world of possibilities opens up.

 

[BHAN85]

Overall, we should not underestimate a cornered US when feeling they have nothing to lose.

they have a 40 trillion debt to lose if they instigate a big conflict

 

[BHAN85]

Instead of signing defense pacts with countries that cannot help Pakistan militarily, Pakistan should have signed one with Iran

Iran can help with offensive arsenals and productions whereas Saudi Arabia can't

iran and turkiye have the common interest of control kurdish people.

iran and pakistan have the common interest of control baloch people.

so they dont need to sign anything.

iran is a invisible part of the pact, iran war can never go in too bad terms for iran with such defenders of ksa.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

they have a 40 trillion debt to lose if they instigate a big conflict

If all bubbles are getting popped, they don't instigate the conflict worldwide to serve as a distraction, then they may face the internal civil war.

 

[Magi]

The Iran-Pakistan pipeline was not completed and operationalized due to US sanctions.

The most effective weapon the US actually has are the economic sanctions. Iran must use this conflict to get rid of all these sanctions. It's a bigger issue than Strait of Hormuz. If Iran can be sanctions-free, a whole new world of possibilities opens up.

An Iran in control of the Strait is an even bigger adversary in US world view. That is why the US will never lift sanctions on Iran. The question that needs to be asked is how did decades of abiding by US sanctions work out for Pakistan? Would the alternative of ignoring sanctions and using Iranian energy and Chinese technology create a more prosperous Pakistan compared to today? How much worse could things get? The only way sanctions go away is when countries start ignoring them. I suppose the answer is irrelevant without independence.

 

[vmro]

iran and turkiye have the common interest of control kurdish people.

iran and pakistan have the common interest of control baloch people.

so they dont need to sign anything.

iran is a invisible part of the pact, iran war can never go in too bad terms for iran with such defenders of ksa.

Iran and Turkey have that eternal unwritten peace agreement that every direct war will be disastrous for both and happiness to all of their friends and enemies...No can control Kurdish effectively, because 'national state' is waste of time for their clans, their land is eternal borderline between empires, regardless of which empires existed in different periods...so you are each other's destiny...as 500 years before, so centuries in the future...

No one say they will start war with Iran...but Iran suddenly is becoming Muslim superpower, they are creating coordination body to "discipline" Iran, they can soft sabotage Iranian control over Hormuz with mutual requests, or to ask Iran to cut the ties with Houthis entirely, for a greater Muslim interest...got it...

Iran is equal in power with Russia now, miscalculations are doomed for their enemies...even some friends...

Iran did great job for China, indirectly, but did for itself also...unavoidable in most important areas...

This is much more political and almost no military, and even less religious friendship...and is resulted by Iranian results...simply one, you have to agree...

 

[Immortals]

Saudi energy facilities burning in Jubail

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When are Pakistan and Turkey going to join the conflict?

 

[Immortals]

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