Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[retaxis]

Can they even reach Europe? Doubtful, unless they mean carrying out attacks from human attackers in Europe

Regardless though, the last thing Iran wants is for Europe to enter into the war with the US

Maybe they mean Ukraine for bombing that Iranian ship or something. No idea if they can actually do anything.

 

[Tumba]

Can they even reach Europe? Doubtful, unless they mean carrying out attacks from human attackers in Europe

Regardless though, the last thing Iran wants is for Europe to enter into the war with the US

A little bugger shahed can reach over 3000 kms easily…..
I think if shahed XL launches from north west Iran they can reach main capitals of europe

 

[Flotilla]

The CNN authors last name is “Goldman”. You can chunk that analysis straight into the trash. More Zionist propaganda that everything is going fine.

Reality is on a good day 5-7MBPD are missing on a bad day 10MBPD+…pre war traffic was 20MBPD

Is oil getting thru? Absolutely, I am the one pointing that out for weeks. But the shortfall is still noticeable. The dark transits have merely bought the US time.

How much time? Now that is what’s actually up for debate

Remember the associated costs of this oil.
Insurances and air and naval cover of USAF and US Navy respectively.
These costs are unsustainable.

 

[retaxis]

A little bugger shahed can reach over 3000 kms easily…..
I think if shahed XL launches from north west Iran they can reach main capitals of europe

If it was that easy, Iranian shaheds would have shut down the suez canal. A lot more disruptive than even Hormuz

 

[Ravenman]

Israeli intelligince spokesman threats Turkey.

"After Iran is finished, Turkey will be our number one enemy".



They really want Armageddon.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Those are ancient aircraft from half a century ago. I have read that most modern American planes need daily codes from the manufacturer to start but I don't know if that's true.

That is only the F-35 that needs that(for now), due to the way its "logistics" support system has been designed.

 

[Bengal71]

A little bugger shahed can reach over 3000 kms easily…..
I think if shahed XL launches from north west Iran they can reach main capitals of europe

And the BMs can reach upto 2500KM

 

[Ali_Baba]

Can they even reach Europe? Doubtful, unless they mean carrying out attacks from human attackers in Europe

Regardless though, the last thing Iran wants is for Europe to enter into the war with the US

"Technically", Crete and Cyprus are in range for Iran and are very significant logistical bases and intelligence bases for the USA right now but I think it would be crazy for Iran to go after either at all. Iran needs fewer enemies right now, not more.

Jordan, however is a very significant US military base that Iran really needs to remove from the chessboard first before anything else.

 

[muhammed45]

Maybe they mean Ukraine for bombing that Iranian ship or something. No idea if they can actually do anything.

The US airbases in Turkey, Germany, Greece, Italy and eastern EU are well within range of IRGC's aerospace forces. Iran avoided targeting them because of their primary neutrality. However, US pressure caused them change course slowly. Iran threatened them in case USA uses their airbases in the next war. The whole of EU is peanuts compared to USN and its regional bases. They are not a major concern.

Here, a detailed table on the support for American/Israeli war on Iran.

Country	Political Support for the Attack	Direct Military Participation in the Attack on Iran
Czech Republic	Yes	No
Albania	Yes	No
North Macedonia	Yes	No
Lithuania	Yes	No
Latvia	Yes	No
Poland	Relatively supportive	No
United Kingdom	Supported Israel's security, but did not participate in the initial attacks	No in the initial attack; later defensive involvement
France	Cautious position; did not participate	No in the initial attack; later defensive involvement
Germany	Politically supportive of Israel, but did not participate militarily	No
Spain	Critical/opposed	No

Country	Political Support for Israel	Military / Defensive Assistance to Israel against Iran	Participation in Attacks on Iran
United Kingdom	Yes	Yes — especially in April 2024; deployed aircraft and participated in defending Israel against Iranian missiles/drones	No
France	Yes	Yes — participated in the defensive response to Iran's April 2024 attack	No
Germany	Yes	Political and logistical/security support; Germany also strongly supported Israel's right to defend itself	No
Netherlands	Yes	Defensive military contribution in the April 2024 crisis	No
Czech Republic	Yes	Political/security support; no confirmed direct participation in strikes on Iran	No
Poland	Generally supportive	Security/political support	No
Italy	Yes	Military assets in the region and readiness to assist in regional defense; no offensive action against Iran	No
Spain	More cautious	Limited/no direct military role in defending Israel from Iranian attacks	No
Greece	Supportive of Israel's security	Regional military presence/support, but no participation in attacks on Iran	No
European Union	Yes	Diplomatic, political and security support for Israel	No

 

[muhammed45]

The US airbases in Turkey, Germany, Greece, Italy and eastern EU are well within range of IRGC's aerospace forces. Iran avoided targeting them because of their primary neutrality. However, US pressure caused them change course slowly. Iran threatened them in case USA uses their airbases in the next war. The whole of EU is peanuts compared to USN and its regional bases. They are not a major concern.

Here, a detailed table on the support for American/Israeli war on Iran.

Country	Political Support for the Attack	Direct Military Participation in the Attack on Iran
Czech Republic	Yes	No
Albania	Yes	No
North Macedonia	Yes	No
Lithuania	Yes	No
Latvia	Yes	No
Poland	Relatively supportive	No
United Kingdom	Supported Israel's security, but did not participate in the initial attacks	No in the initial attack; later defensive involvement
France	Cautious position; did not participate	No in the initial attack; later defensive involvement
Germany	Politically supportive of Israel, but did not participate militarily	No
Spain	Critical/opposed	No

Country	Political Support for Israel	Military / Defensive Assistance to Israel against Iran	Participation in Attacks on Iran
United Kingdom	Yes	Yes — especially in April 2024; deployed aircraft and participated in defending Israel against Iranian missiles/drones	No
France	Yes	Yes — participated in the defensive response to Iran's April 2024 attack	No
Germany	Yes	Political and logistical/security support; Germany also strongly supported Israel's right to defend itself	No
Netherlands	Yes	Defensive military contribution in the April 2024 crisis	No
Czech Republic	Yes	Political/security support; no confirmed direct participation in strikes on Iran	No
Poland	Generally supportive	Security/political support	No
Italy	Yes	Military assets in the region and readiness to assist in regional defense; no offensive action against Iran	No
Spain	More cautious	Limited/no direct military role in defending Israel from Iranian attacks	No
Greece	Supportive of Israel's security	Regional military presence/support, but no participation in attacks on Iran	No
European Union	Yes	Diplomatic, political and security support for Israel	No

According to this table USA's direct confrontation with Iran has led to lessening of EU support for Israeli cancer in the region.

Interesting that the staunch supporters of Israel are revising their political views on this matter.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Robert Pape: American Military Dominance Is Ending​

 

[muhammed45]

A reminder on the thread title :

It was better to change the title with this :

'Iran's war with two bastards of British empire USA/Israel.'

@KAL-EL what say you?

 

[El Sidd]

A lot. It’s like asking how much role do democrats have in US policies.

The reformists have say in the system and it’s not as conservative dominated as people assume. Israel is far more right wing and ultra nationalist than Iran is believe it or not.

Iran is filled with these individuals who want nothing more than to be banana countries of the West like the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Jordan. They argue behind closed doors that resistance is futile and we just give up to America and they will accept us (delusional).



That’s not how Iran works. Iran is like a puzzle of factions. Each with its own power center and influence. When Khamenai was alive he played the factions off each other while making sure no one got more powerful than him, it was a delicate balancing act and it worked because he was only the 2nd Supreme Leader.

Right now there are power vacuums and some factions want to influence the outcome to enrich themselves and their faction at the expense of the nation (much like Trump is doing in his 2nd term with his cronies).

Iran going back 150+ years has had these treacherous reformist factions and pragmatist factions under different names and ideals but the ultimate goal is the same: surrender the country to the greater powers and be able to get Paid to be their lackey.

Thanks for the detailed answer.

Very insightful on the Iranian infighting.

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[muhammed45]

I'll repeat.

Israel will not attack territorial Turkiye (including Northern Cyprus). That would attract the risk of destruction by Turkiye, who will ignore NATO when it comes to a matter of sovereignty of the Turkish state.

I'm surprised you interpret matters differently.

Conflict OUTSIDE of Turkish territory, e.g. attacks on foreign military bases, will result in a more normal and entirely predictable escalation dynamic. This method of "3rd party territory" engagement is entirely sustainable for Turkiye and probably also for Israel.

USA itself cannot unseat Turkiye from its foreign interests in myriad nations around the middle east and African theatres. What makes you think Turks in Turkiye proper have any fear?

Anyway, I shan't derail the thread further - apologies for digressing.

What a joke. Turkey is stronk only against the weak brown middle eastern Muslims. When it comes to their white masters, they will sell their honour in a blink of an eye in exchange for a couple of F-35s.