Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[El Sidd]

A lot. It’s like asking how much role do democrats have in US policies.

The reformists have say in the system and it’s not as conservative dominated as people assume. Israel is far more right wing and ultra nationalist than Iran is believe it or not.

Iran is filled with these individuals who want nothing more than to be banana countries of the West like the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Jordan. They argue behind closed doors that resistance is futile and we just give up to America and they will accept us (delusional).



That’s not how Iran works. Iran is like a puzzle of factions. Each with its own power center and influence. When Khamenai was alive he played the factions off each other while making sure no one got more powerful than him, it was a delicate balancing act and it worked because he was only the 2nd Supreme Leader.

Right now there are power vacuums and some factions want to influence the outcome to enrich themselves and their faction at the expense of the nation (much like Trump is doing in his 2nd term with his cronies).

Iran going back 150+ years has had these treacherous reformist factions and pragmatist factions under different names and ideals but the ultimate goal is the same: surrender the country to the greater powers and be able to get Paid to be their lackey.

Thanks for the detailed answer.

Very insightful on the Iranian infighting.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[Master Chief]

There is no Israel. The entity you call Israel is an extension of, and arguably one of the most valued parts of the greatest empire in world history. Turkey will not challenge, much less defeat Israel or the empire it represents. Heck Turkey is a foot soldier of Israel as a member of NATO and a junior member of the western alliance. Using NATO weapons against Israel is a pipe dream.

I'll repeat.

Israel will not attack territorial Turkiye (including Northern Cyprus). That would attract the risk of destruction by Turkiye, who will ignore NATO when it comes to a matter of sovereignty of the Turkish state.

I'm surprised you interpret matters differently.

Conflict OUTSIDE of Turkish territory, e.g. attacks on foreign military bases, will result in a more normal and entirely predictable escalation dynamic. This method of "3rd party territory" engagement is entirely sustainable for Turkiye and probably also for Israel.

USA itself cannot unseat Turkiye from its foreign interests in myriad nations around the middle east and African theatres. What makes you think Turks in Turkiye proper have any fear?

Anyway, I shan't derail the thread further - apologies for digressing.

 

[muhammed45]

I'll repeat.

Israel will not attack territorial Turkiye (including Northern Cyprus). That would attract the risk of destruction by Turkiye, who will ignore NATO when it comes to a matter of sovereignty of the Turkish state.

I'm surprised you interpret matters differently.

Conflict OUTSIDE of Turkish territory, e.g. attacks on foreign military bases, will result in a more normal and entirely predictable escalation dynamic. This method of "3rd party territory" engagement is entirely sustainable for Turkiye and probably also for Israel.

USA itself cannot unseat Turkiye from its foreign interests in myriad nations around the middle east and African theatres. What makes you think Turks in Turkiye proper have any fear?

Anyway, I shan't derail the thread further - apologies for digressing.

What a joke. Turkey is stronk only against the weak brown middle eastern Muslims. When it comes to their white masters, they will sell their honour in a blink of an eye in exchange for a couple of F-35s.

 

[KAL-EL]

A reminder on the thread title :

It was better to change the title with this :

'Iran's war with two bastards of British empire USA/Israel.'

@KAL-EL what say you?

Not sure why you specifically tagged me, but what say I? I think it's a bit on the anger side to change the title to that.

The title currently is just fine