Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

I sense you might be on the cusp of banning me or something because I pointed out that continual oil disruption causes pain for all and that is not a given to expect quiet agreement to this, because Pakistan did not attack Iran but Iran did attack Pakistan.... Anyway I'll leave it there

Everyone is in pain, this is war, and Iran did not start this war.

 

[Master Chief]

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We do not care about India in the same way that you do, they are not in our region and just another outside state that is sometimes good and sometimes bad (these days mostly bad)

Everyone (yes even the beloved Turkey and Saudi) has relations with them and hugs them, you have to get over it and stop complaining only when Iran does it

Fair points.

But I cannot imagine lowering myself to touch the feet of a swami...I'm not saying that's what Pezeshkian did, but it looked that way. Maybe you can confirm.

What on earth is the point of being an independent Islamic Republic if this is considered reasonable behaviour?

Indeed, I would not even object to formal handshakes between Pakistani and Indian officials, as a diplomatic norm. But ffs man, avoiding this dalitised behaviour of having to touch the feet of random swamis is EXACTLY the reason why Pakistan exists. Someone in Tehran needs to have quiet words.

 

[Master Chief]

There is a concerted sectarian and American led effort to portray Iran as joining an alliance with India and / or the UAE. This is the narrative the U.S. state department has decided should be fed to Sunni populations in the region. It won’t be tolerated in this thread.

One example of the fake news:

My apologies. Thank you for clarifying. Just saw this post.

 

[r3alist]

Hmmmmmm @Yasser76

Fair points.

But I cannot imagine lowering myself to touch the feet of a swami...I'm not saying that's what Pezeshkian did, but it looked that way. Maybe you can confirm.

What on earth is the point of being an independent Islamic Republic if this is considered reasonable behaviour?

Indeed, I would not even object to formal handshakes between Pakistani and Indian officials, as a diplomatic norm. But ffs man, avoiding this dalitised behaviour of having to touch the feet of random swamis is EXACTLY the reason why Pakistan exists. Someone in Tehran needs to have quiet words.

The video posted was what I was referring to for my part

 

[PakAl]

Remember me? Remember my pre war prediction? Here we are now. You were laughing at it, as far as I remember. what now? Iran is smashing the US of A and is in a position of strength. This will end with Iran being the regional hegemon, as is its rightful place. It doesnt need to make any deals with the US be it good or great. We will take whats ours

Can you explain how? Iran is getting bombed whenever Israel/Usa feel like to do so, economy slowly getting destroyed, inflation is high. Victory for Iran is if the Usa and Israel are unable to bomb Iran, this is where the redline needs to be drawn.

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[PakAl]

UAE joins Trump's blockade against Iran and Pezeshkian smiles and meets with UAE leaders

what kind of donkey is this heart surgeon

Bro its politics, he is the face of Iran, he is not going to punch UAE leaders on tv, I am sure behind the scenes he complained but he doesn't have the power to change UAE decisions nor UAE has the power to change iranian decisions. I think Iran can use this conflict and improve relations with the UAE.

 

[Professor Jiang]

You had all the support you could have hoped for and you want more,

What on earth does this mean? I've seen this kind of thing numerous times in this thread. Utter bullshit.

 

[PakAl]

That you can find such common bonds despite modi pledging allegiance to Israel days before the war and the ship incident it remains baffling this open door India has

This is of course important to Pakistan

Iranian governments have been promoting for decades that Iran India have historical ties, the same way Afghans believe they are historical ally of India, but the reality is it was Pakistan which they shared borders with and historical ties and trades.

 

[BHAN85]

What on earth does this mean? I've seen this kind of thing numerous times in this thread. Utter bullshit.

i guess he is talking about islamabad talks

 

[r3alist]

Iranian governments have been promoting for decades that Iran India have historical ties, the same way Afghans believe they are historical ally of India, but the reality is it was Pakistan which they shared borders with and historical ties and trades.

Yes, why validate it then.

You should not answer as an outsider

 

[r3alist]

What on earth does this mean? I've seen this kind of thing numerous times in this thread. Utter bullshit.

So if we look at the world from geopolitics and self interest why does everyone need the oil disruption?

What exactly is the Iranian cause right now? Just state this

 

[PakAl]

We are in an imposed war and our neighbours help our enemy attack us

It’s difficult to get out of this until our neighbours realise it is not good to enable external actors to attack their permanent neighbour

The Iranian perspective is that we attack enemy bases in those countries but not those countries and we still want to have good relations with them

Iran is cornered, the neighbours want iran to be defanged, this was their demand for decades, the Iranian leadership must have known this was coming. Lastly only the Iranian leadership knows what is happening and who's winning and loosing, so they need to either give extras and stop this war or continue to fight till the end like Syria/Libya/Saddam Iraq.

 

[Professor Jiang]

So if we look at the world from geopolitics and self interest why does everyone need the oil disruption?

What exactly is the Iranian cause right now? Just state this

It's been said already, countless times: Iran was attacked. It's supreme leader (and highest religious authority) killed, its military and civilian officials murdered during Ramadan. Thousands of ordinary Iranian dead, civil infrastructure destroyed, school children massacred.

It is not a peer competitor to the United States, and is therefore using oil as a weapon to ensure the rest of the world have an interest in ending the war (and on its terms). If anything, it has showed incredible leniency by letting any oil out at all.

This isn't rocket science.

 

[PakAl]

Yes, why validate it then.

You should not answer as an outsider

What i am trying to point out is in reality it was Pakistan which traded and had historical people to people relations with Iran and Afghanistan for millennia, not republic of India as propagated. Regions like Punjab, Sindh, and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa were the exact geographic places where Persian, Afghan, and locals intersected for millennia. The Grand Trunk Road, the Khyber Pass, and the Bolan Pass all located in present day Pakistan were the primary trade corridors connecting Persia and Central Asia to the Gangetic plains.