Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[muhammed45]

Arabs, for whatever reason, tend to take their cues from the Saudis. In a sense, this has long been the traditional order of things among Arab states. To preserve that influence, Saudi Arabia has consistently relied on Western military, economic and logistical backing, especially from Britain and the United States, and has been willing to offer the West just about any concession to keep it.

Leaving aside who helped the House of Saud rise to power, and what their intentions have been ever since, let’s give them the most generous possible reading: perhaps they genuinely want Islamic countries to work together to resolve today’s problems. Whether the United States would let Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Pakistan cooperate with Iran to settle regional disputes peacefully is another matter entirely.

Pakistan has been deeply tied to the Western bloc since the Afghanistan conflict and the era after Zia-ul-Haq; the traces of that dependence are still plain to see. Turkey is NATO’s hired hand, while Saudi Arabia is a longtime Western ally, heavily enmeshed in the Western orbit.

Ultimately, if Saudi Arabia really wants the fighting to stop, it could start by ending its blockade of Yemen, and the killing of innocent people.

 

[Flotilla]

Very important meeting today between representatives of the Mecca Pact (KSA, Pakistan, and Turkey) and Iran in Tehran.

But an invitation for Tehran to join the pact was not on the agenda.

Rather, an emergency session in which the three are requesting Iran's help to end the conflict with Ansarollah, which is threatening to destabilize Saudi Arabia.

From the Iranian perspective, KSA has committed the same mistake as Trump: Starting a war that it cannot control or end.

Tehran is willing to help, a source in Iran tells me, but Ansarullah's condition for KSA to lift the air blockade on Yemen before any fighting ends is unchanging.

(Ansarullah is focused on the air blockade, not the sea blockade)

Still, this meeting reflects something even more important, and something we and other restrainers have pointed out for years: As the US pulls back militarily, contrary to Washington's conventional wisdom, regional states are showing greater agency and taking responsibility for the region's security themselves.

This does not mean all problems will be resolved or that conflict and chaos will be avoided, but it will be their conflicts, their chaos, and their responsibility, not the US's.

In Spanish, there’s an old saying: "When shepherds gather... a sheep ends up dead." But we won’t live to see that happen. I wish they’d just kill that goddamn, shitty sheep.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Arabs, for whatever reason, tend to take their cues from the Saudis. In a sense, this has long been the traditional order of things among Arab states. To preserve that influence, Saudi Arabia has consistently relied on Western military, economic and logistical backing, especially from Britain and the United States, and has been willing to offer the West just about any concession to keep it.

Leaving aside who helped the House of Saud rise to power, and what their intentions have been ever since, let’s give them the most generous possible reading: perhaps they genuinely want Islamic countries to work together to resolve today’s problems. Whether the United States would let Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Pakistan cooperate with Iran to settle regional disputes peacefully is another matter entirely.

Pakistan has been deeply tied to the Western bloc since the Afghanistan conflict and the era after Zia-ul-Haq; the traces of that dependence are still plain to see. Turkey is NATO’s hired hand, while Saudi Arabia is a longtime Western ally, heavily enmeshed in the Western orbit.

Ultimately, if Saudi Arabia really wants the fighting to stop, it could start by ending its blockade of Yemen, and the killing of innocent people.

Pakistan didn’t join the NAM block until 1979. But even after formally joining it was supporting the Taliban against the Soviets.

Until then it was tied to the Zio-US block.

But by then its military was in the pay of CIA.

 

[BananaRepublic]

It’s the Zionists who started this war.. right.. .so Iranians should be focusing all their energy and resources in hitting them. Blowing up a Saudi air Terminal is not going end the war on Iran.

lol

Zio-US wouldn’t be able to attack Iran if the Saudis didn’t hosts and facilitate the attacks.

In reality the Arabs are bigger culprits than Zio US.

 

[OldTwilight]

here we go again

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

lol

Zio-US wouldn’t be able to attack Iran if the Saudis didn’t hosts and facilitate the attacks.

In reality the Arabs are bigger culprits than Zio US.

The US has sufficient assets throughout the world to support strikes all the way from CONUS. Having bases in the ME just makes it more convenient.

 

[RocketLaw]

Please note this "Ironclad" twitter if you follow their news everyday, it is 95% FAKE news



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The specific bugging-device claim originates from one OSINT account and has not been verified.

 

[Mero]

This is the war where it is illegal content to know Iran truly won. Illegal content in the UAE getting hammered. Illegal content to know Israel got hammered. Illegal to know the classified deaths and full equipment losses to the Americans.

It is criminal and illegal to pass around that information that the US lost the war thus far.

The way the public only can tell the war is lost for the US is the increase in prices.

 

[Al-Zakir]

The slave type.
But ending someone trade is unacceptable.

I can't blame Iran to use whatever weapon they have in their arsenal to protect their people. Trade war is a form of weapon.

Remember, Iran did not start this war. Iran is the victim of this war, not aggressor.

 

[ShapurII]

here we go again

I wouldn't blame the fall of oil prices entirely on them this time. $118 was not stable because it was caused by the anticipation of war on Saturday or Sunday. Also, Brent Crude price still seems to be above $110.

However, the fact that they let an anti-Iran military bloc enter Iran on a military aircraft is nothing short of treason.

 

[Ali_Baba]

In Spanish, there’s an old saying: "When shepherds gather... a sheep ends up dead." But we won’t live to see that happen. I wish they’d just kill that goddamn, shitty sheep.

Diplomacy has been given it's chance. Iran cannot complain that it was not and Iran cannot complain that it was not effectively engaged, it has been.

To date, the Gulf countries have taken a passive role in actively defending their civilian and energy assets when Iran has attacked them by not militarily striking Iran back(there were some instance of UAE responding selectively though). While they have not restrained the USA from attacking Iran from bases on their country(and the are absolute c---s for not doing so), they themselves have not attacked Iran even with the provocations on their civilian infrastructure and restriction of their trade flows.

At some point, that could change and Iran will need to be mindful of that with the decisions it makes and the actions it will take.

However, if this war does restart again and Iran starts to systematically destroy civilian and energy infrastructure in the Gulf, then the Gulf countries may well not take such a passive role again and they may start to actively respond with attacks on Iranian Infrastructure in reply to their infrastructure being destroyed.

The combined air forces of fighter jets for the Saudi, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE alone is in the region of 700 modern jets. They can do a lot of damage on their own on Iran, if the need arises and combined with the USA air force and others, it can be a significant force.

Judging by the noises coming out of the meeting in Tehran, there has been no agreement to date, so it seems that Iran has made one set of decisions for itself with what has presented in those meetings. There are others than Iran will need to make, and actually own as well.

While this war was forced on Iran, it will still have to own its part of what happens from now on.

These are all big boy decisions, and significant history is being made before us.

 

[BananaRepublic]

The US has sufficient assets throughout the world to support strikes all the way from CONUS. Having bases in the ME just makes it more convenient.

It’s a bit like saying, “he would have got the guns anyway, so what that I supplied it?”

Whataboutary is not a defence.

 

[BananaRepublic]

By this definition almost every country on earth is an "enabler". India, to pluck an example out of thin air, is the biggest single customer of Israeli weaponry, and also is a substantial supplier of components to the same country's defence industry.

Try as you might to muddy the water - Iran only has issues with those who directly facilitate the attacks on Iran.

 

[Oracle]

Seems fake
Why couldn't Iranian intelligence were not able to detect devices?

 

[BananaRepublic]

here we go again

Closed at $116 dollars.

$115 is the new base.

When war starts it will hit $130 very, very, quickly.

You can ofcourse buy oil at discounted prices from Iran.

If you don’t, it’s your funeral.