Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Flotilla]

even if IRI retards finally respond now (unlikely), it's too late. they already showed they are willing to be submissive punching bags and are utterly DESPERATE for a deal and TERRIFIED of a return to war.

horrendous.

Be calm. AFAIK there are being bombed costal positions, probably they're hitting or trying to hit antiship cruise missile launchers.

Let's be honest. IRGC is hitting vessels by half a dozen daily. Would US not respond?.

It will escalate when someone hit other targets, and again, seems IRGC doesn't want to hit a carrier, destroyer or arab airbase used by US.

It is frustrating (to me also) but has a logic.

It must be attacked the AH64 and MH60R flying low. That would be a more than legitimate target and revenge for killing Iranian personnel.

 

[Potato]

I see this all the opposite way- why US ATTENPTED to do land blockade on Iran AFTER military strikes? I believe US was supposed to setup a blockade first then do military strikes, combined with US asking China to "use its leverage on Iran"to stop the war ,AND JD Vance the idiot initiating secret negotiations with Rezaei, all to the the war,that all tells me the military campaign against Iran has failed so far, which is why Iran isn't budging much - daily strikes on mobile AD systems in Qeshm that Iran can easily replace and are cheap won't offset the military disadvantage the US seems to have put itself in vis a vis Iran. @Potato and @Lulldapull so far seem right that US has lost and can't turn it's loss against Iran into a win anytome soon. US also striking Iran, then pausing then striking against is really bad for UD because it confirms US had no confidence or determination in it's military campaign against Iran,so actually US should just declare the war over asap, who is what Americans actually want.

If this above is generally correct, the next interesting thing will be-, which Arab country in the gulf will submit to Iran ,aka switch loyalty publicly from US to Iran first?

As an Indian and a Hindu, I don't have any ideological bias in favour of either IRGC or Israel and US. From my perspective, the defeat of US and Israel in this war is quite evident, and it appears that the conflict is approaching its end, with Trump potentially emerging with egg on his face and further reinforcing the perception that US is a declining superpower.

However, there is another possibility: US could eventually re-enter the conflict with better-coordinated regional allies and a more carefully planned strategy. But I don't think such an alliance can be built overnight. Establishing that level of military coordination and strategic cooperation could take years.

 

[ShapurII]

Trump wont be in office in 2-3 years.

Yes, but there's no reason to assume that Trump is an anomaly when it comes to the US animosity with Iran. I believe the US war with Iran is more or less a bipartisan decision, also supported by the deep state.

Israel killed most people in Gaza under the Biden administration. Also, the Biden administration didn't return to the JCPOA after Trump left the office. There's no reason to believe this time will be different.

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[ShapurII]

As an Indian and a Hindu, I don't have any ideological bias in favour of either IRGC or Israel and US. From my perspective, the defeat of US and Israel in this war is quite evident, and it appears that the conflict is approaching its end, with Trump potentially emerging with egg on his face and further reinforcing the perception that US is a declining superpower.

However, there is another possibility: US could eventually re-enter the conflict with better-coordinated regional allies and a more carefully planned strategy. But I don't think such an alliance can be built overnight. Establishing that level of military coordination and strategic cooperation could take years.

The US lost the kinetic war. Now they're hoping to tighten the screws on Iran by imposing naval, aerial and land blockade. Iran hasn't been able to defeat the US blockade yet.

 

[Flotilla]

The US lost the kinetic war. Now they're hoping to tighten the screws on Iran by imposing naval, aerial and land blockade. Iran hasn't been able to defeat the US blockade yet.

It won't. US Navy It is the largest Navy in History.
The only way It is circumvent It. Smuggling, reopening land connexions and probably hitting a DDG would convince Pentagon that the cost It is too high and the benefit doesn't with.
If someone can do It, It is Irán. Let's see if Irán can convince neighboring countries to reopening frontiers or allow trade by other land routes and after deceive the blockade hit one or two vessels to make the blockade counterproductive.

 

[kobra]

So Iran has developed the policy of Ostrichs. Hide its head when attacked or in that case deny the attack.. strange, such a tall claims by top generals and thats the result.

 

[Persian Gulf]

TBC if Iran was behind the attack. weird if so.

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[KingQamaR]

I don’t get it

Let’s call it 2 tracks at once

Track 1. Bombs by night by US - Qesham Island

Track 2. Talks by day (Qatar)

And Isn’t it interesting is Irans willingness to absorb the strikes rather than Retaliate?

It’s weird, they are both trading blows but are not calling it a war ….

 

[Musings]

As an Indian and a Hindu, I don't have any ideological bias in favour of either IRGC or Israel and US. From my perspective, the defeat of US and Israel in this war is quite evident, and it appears that the conflict is approaching its end, with Trump potentially emerging with egg on his face and further reinforcing the perception that US is a declining superpower.

However, there is another possibility: US could eventually re-enter the conflict with better-coordinated regional allies and a more carefully planned strategy. But I don't think such an alliance can be built overnight. Establishing that level of military coordination and strategic cooperation could take years.

As an Indian and a hindu and multi ID rat you should have said aghor warrior - how you doing?

 

[925boy]

Rubio is talking In diplomatic code morse/secret code, so what else could be making the negotiating with Iran unproductive and unreasonable if it isn't Iran asking US to hand over its hegemony of the ME to Iran? Iran has also not budged on its requests from US,irrespective of faction ,so Iran (across all factions)seems to strongly believe it holds some huge leverage over on US in the region, maybe stemming from US losing the kinetic phase of the war and US running out of steam to regain the military initiative?

Until US is able to put Iran back in its place in the ME region, I think we have a new boss in town.

Ali Zaidi seems to strongly think that US will always protect him as long as he is PM of Iraq.

 

[Immortals]

Why would Iran put a radar or fully fledged air defense system right on the front lines? Ukraine doesn't do this with their patriots or s300s.

It’s not a “fully fledged air” defense system. It’s a SHORAD.

And the radar I am referring to is something like this



Or

This

 

[Immortals]

Rubio hates Iran. He is a full fledged neocon.

He will never accept an Iran deal. Iran will have to capitulate on core demands or THERE WILL BE NO DEAL. Iran’s oil card has eroded as Iran cannot even keep oil above $100.

 

[Master Chief]

I don't think Trump's statements should be taken seriously. I am an Indian, and regardless of whether I support the IRGC or not, my assessment is that the US and Israel have suffered a major defeat in this war. I believe any neutral observer would acknowledge that the image of the US as a military superpower has taken a significant hit. The perceived invincibility of Israel's Iron Dome and David's Sling, as well as America's THAAD and Patriot air defence systems, has also been seriously undermined. The world has witnessed Iranian missiles striking targets in Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the UAE.

However, one thing I find particularly interesting is that Iranian attacks on the UAE have suddenly stopped. What could be the reason behind this?

There is no doubt UAE have paid Tehran off. Absolutely pathetic from Iran. I get the failure to respond to USA (inability) and Israel (range + defence network), but wtf is actually wrong that Iran cannot bomb the shit out of some glorified little fishing village that is perfectly visible across the Gulf? It's embarrassing to watch.