Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Shadihassan28]

Don't forget that Russian, Iranian and Chinese engineers would immediately be dissecting every part of whatever survives.

Ridiculous as there is everything to lose and not much to gain as the F-35 cannot carry much in its internal weapons bays anyway.

Honestly I hope whatever the Iranians get from Iraq booster or failed rockets or whatever missiles parts they can reverse engineer from parts found in iran I hope the Iranians do not share with China or Russia definitely not China the Chinese especially have shown that they are not willing to help iran unless they receive something worthwhile mainly their oil industry, Russia at least if not offensive weapons can be sending defensive gear that are not near Ukraine but other parts of Russia that are not defending against a nato “invasion”

 

[Developereo]

Don't forget that Russian, Iranian and Chinese engineers would immediately be dissecting every part of whatever survives.

Ridiculous as there is everything to lose and not much to gain as the F-35 cannot carry much in its internal weapons bays anyway.

I am sure Russia and China have lots of spy data but it's a completely different ball game to gather data in actual combat, not some dopey exercise, and to collect pieces of an actual aircraft for materials analysis, etc.

I am sure the Chinese had plenty of spy data on US stealth helicopters but they were still eager to get parts from the crashed Black Hawk in the 2011 Abbottabad raid.

Bin Laden raid: China 'viewed US helicopter wreckage'

Pakistan allowed China to examine the remains of the US stealth helicopter downed in the raid on Osama Bin Laden, US officials believe.

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He said Chinese engineers were allowed to survey the wreckage and take samples of the "stealth" skin that allowed the Seals to enter Pakistan undetected by radar, according to the paper.

 

[F-22Raptor]

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Image of the radar site Israel hit

 

[925boy]

they are military sites and those are the direct equivalent and should be the target, I agree

only problem is accuracy of Iranian MRBMs without reliable

I disagree.

Since the beginning of the missile industry in Iran, we had continuous attacks by Iraq, and then we saw the threats of America and Israel every year.

I don't think something important is on the ground.

Agreed, "important national security things" are mostly in missile cities or underground ,because Iran is too organized to allow an adversary to preemptively take out its capabilites it needs to use for national defense. Iran's 1000s of ballistic missiles are still intact, same with hezbollah. It seems Israel and US don't have great intelligence or/and right ammunitions to detect and destroy Iran and hezbollah's missile stocks, at least not yet.

 

[UKBengali]

I am sure Russia and China have lots of spy data but it's a completely different ball game to gather data in actual combat, not some dopey exercise, and to collect pieces of an actual aircraft for materials analysis, etc.

I am sure the Chinese had plenty of spy data on US stealth helicopters but they were still eager to get parts from the crashed Black Hawk in the 2011 Abbottabad raid.

Bin Laden raid: China 'viewed US helicopter wreckage'

Pakistan allowed China to examine the remains of the US stealth helicopter downed in the raid on Osama Bin Laden, US officials believe.

www.bbc.com

He said Chinese engineers were allowed to survey the wreckage and take samples of the "stealth" skin that allowed the Seals to enter Pakistan undetected by radar, according to the paper.

China would probably pay any price for even a semi-intact F-35 as that would give away the crown jewel of US stealth, radar and electronics technology.

Only China could truly dissect and understand each and every part of it as they are already at a similar technology level with J-20/J-31.

The idea that the entity would be stupid enough to risk one of these being shot down by Iran is absurd level of suggestion.

 

[925boy]

This is becoming unsustainable for both sides. The exchange of fire could get out of control and reach a point of no return.

Speak for Israel not Iran. Iranian military officials have said multiple times that Iran is ready for a long war, and given Iran's long war experience with Iraq, it is probably naive to not believe those military offlcials- they have been more right than arm chair generals on this forum. Respectfully!

 

[wudangmaster]

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Image of the radar site Israel hit

I was wondering whether the OTH assets were struck.

 

[925boy]

B

I still think Iranian sub fleet in the Mediterranean would be worth it.

It would force Israel to defend on two fronts and also give pause to Europeans on helping Israel or attacking Iran if Iran can target them directly in return.

Because of the west's comparative advantage in the sub space, esp long range /big subs, those Iranian subs would be on a suicide mission if they get close to Israel, so Iran has probably concluded that's not worth it. Iran has potent subs in its regional waters though and everyone is afraid of them in that space.

 

[MastanKhan]

It's in Chinese psyche to be insular. It won't project its power beyond its sphere of influence in east Asia.

Hi,

To save themselves---china will have to fight the wars of other nations with their military---.

They can't stay on the sidelines and pray that US does not attack.

 

[Developereo]

China would probably pay any price for even a semi-intact F-35 as that would give away the crown jewel of US stealth, radar and electronics technology.

Only China could truly dissect and understand each and every part of it as they are already at a similar technology level with J-20/J-31.

The idea that the entity would be stupid enough to risk one of these being shot down by Iran is absurd level of suggestion.

Realistically, the only usable part would be the materials, shaping, and stealth coatings. All the avionics hardware would be destroyed.

 

[925boy]

Fake

Yup. I am surprised Persial gulf is believing every attack pic/sat insge/story etc abt Israel's attacks on ira Ian sites now. Smh

 

[Developereo]

Hi,

To save themselves---china will have to fight the wars of other nations with their military---.

They can't stay on the sidelines and pray that US does not attack.

Chinese do not need to pray.

The US will think twice, thrice, thirty times before attacking a country that can deliver nukes to the US mainland.

 

[MastanKhan]

Chinese do not need to pray.

The US will think twice, thrice, thirty times before attacking a country that can deliver nukes to the US mainland.

Hi,

USA is ready---something might have happened if israel / iran conflict did not start---.

Biden had already set the stage---.

 

[Developereo]

Hi,

USA is ready---something might have happened if israel / iran conflict did not start---.

Biden had already set the stage---.

Iran cannot deliver nukes to the US mainland. That is why the US huffs and puffs. That is why the EU huffs and puffs.

But NATO does not dare to touch the Russian homeland directly because they know what Russia can do in return. Same is true for China.

 

[Shadihassan28]

China would probably pay any price for even a semi-intact F-35 as that would give away the crown jewel of US stealth, radar and electronics technology.

Only China could truly dissect and understand each and every part of it as they are already at a similar technology level with J-20/J-31.

The idea that the entity would be stupid enough to risk one of these being shot down by Iran is absurd level of suggestion.

China already stole the much of the tech for f 35 f 22 they basically got everything minus the actual jets so yeah maybe they would like to look at them up close to compare but being probably one of the few countries outside of a nato or nato ally that can easily detect said fighters I don’t think they would pay any price