Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[LongLiveIran]

Please stop the conjecture! Your post is just a load of nonsense. How can you can yourself longliveiran?

What part of it is nonsense exactly?

 

[PakFactor]

Hi,

You got a big mouth son---stop yapping.

This world---that is how Allah has created the system---.

Are you challenging how Allah's system runs---?

He has given you a choice to get prepared and get ready for the hard times---.

Now as a muslim, are you following that---. As a pakistani I know that you are not---just like every other muslim / every other irani you are just a wind bag---.

OTOH israelis have done otherwise---everyday they have prepared themselves for the worst to come.

Same with he americans---.

It's more so you have a big mouth, old man.

I need not challenge God's will or how he runs his game; he does what he likes. If he likes kids being blown up, destined worthless leaders for his Ummah or traitors, his game, he does as he sees fit. He has his system set up, and the reality is, as you put it, the US can't be beaten, so learn to live under them, as you are doing now.

As for preparing, it wasn't long after the Prophet passed that you had infighting and schisms. You people couldn't hold your own house together. It's humorous you talk about being prepared like the Jews and Americans but, on the other hand, willing to send Pakistani Armed Forces into Yemen to kill your fellow co-religionists for a conflict that concerns you not and rather just spread more suffering; you cry about Gaza, the Yemen conflict alone has killed 85,000 children and indirect or direct 400,000 people; all from a political dispute internally the Saudi's had no business in and decided to butt their nose and make things worse; and made themselves a joke (for your information, the Americans sold satellite images and other information to Saudi's throughout their conflict including arms support the Ukrainians have done far better with no oil economy to keep the war running, what would Pakistan's participation do any different, who itself never won a God damn war). Done more harm to Muslims than preparing; thus, even your position contradicts what you state.

It's impressive as Pakistanis; you would go sellsword for a quick buck; truly, life is cheap in this part of the world.

As a Pakistani-American, I'm well-prepared myself and have done great.

 

[tsunset]

According to non-Iranian sources (so the real truth), Israel targeted that famous warehouse that was containing all Iran BM arsenal and parts

Iran BM program and every missiles were destroyed and cannot be retrieved. Iran is also already surrendering and accepts to convert Islamic Repubic to ZionIran Republic of Israel

A blatant error by Iran was to store all BM in that warehouse, including their production

 

[Liquidator]

This is simply not true.

Netanyahu repeatedly said that the Israeli response would transform the regional calculus forever.

They tried.
They failed.
Miserably.

I think allot of individuals are conveniently missing this point entirely. Remember :

- on the day Israel got pounded we were told that the response would be imminent and that the face of the middle east would change.

- they took their time of course but during that time we were told that the response would be devastating enough for Iran to back down.

What actually happened was the opposite:

- the attack was delayed.
- the attack was miniscule enough for Iran and the world to ask is an Iranian counter even warranted.

Summary: Iran on top.

 

[Alter_Ego]

According to non-Iranian sources (so the real truth), Israel targeted that famous warehouse that was containing all Iran BM arsenal and parts

Iran BM program and every missiles were destroyed and cannot be retrieved. Iran is also already surrendering and accepts to convert Islamic Repubic to ZionIran Republic of Israel

A blatant error by Iran was to store all BM in that warehouse, including their production

You almost got me there ..lol

 

[TallGuy]

@Persian Gulf @jauk @Liquidator @MastanKhan @tsunset

I wanted to discuss a scenario

lets suppose that Iran proceeds with another BM attack and premise is to attack IDF/AF which played the crucial role in Attacking IRAN and causing casualties.

Iran Launches major BM strikes in very large numbers on all IDF/AF airbases and civilian airports. very high saturated strikes hitting everything on the bases.

Iran targets Runways/Taxiways and they are successfully put out of commission since the BM attack is multiple waves 4-5 hours long. yes they will be repaired but it will take time always. IDF/AF as soon as BM strikes were launched all its serviceable aircraft were put in air.

Now quite large number of aircraft are in air, with all Airbases/airports in Entity are damaged heavily and runways and taxiways are damaged. (military and civilian)

Where do they go and land?

Egypt, Jordan and Cyprus/Turkey??

what would be the status?

 

[Persian Gulf]

Again

Hitting exactly the hangars and taxiways for 42 times is pretty accurate.

It is more effective than hitting empty above ground buildings.

there were not 42 hits on hangars and taxiways, maybe 5-10 at most

and all but one of those 5-10 hits were very little with no serious damage. taxiways can be repaired within hours, a pointless target for missiles with such high CEP (and apparently tiny warheads)

 

[Persian Gulf]

Doesn't matter. Their military should be targeted during the day without warning if that's more feasible.

In case the US gets involved in the war does Iran have anti-satellite capabilities?

there is no 'without warning'

day or night is irrelevant

US space based assets can detect ballistic missile preparations or, if not, the launches immediately, giving 10 minute warning until impact

 

[Persian Gulf]

With the accuracy of those missiles, I don't think these were 20 years old. Some landed infront of Mossad HQ.

From where did you pull those missile being 20 y.o. as a fact.

Operation TP I used large mix of missiles, likely the majority were older Emad/Ghadr missiles

Operation TP II used more advanced missiles, mostly Kheibar-Shekan 1 with at least some Kheibar Shekan 2. Still no use of Fattah or Khorramshahr.

 

[Persian Gulf]

@Persian Gulf @jauk @Liquidator @MastanKhan @tsunset

I wanted to discuss a scenario

lets suppose that Iran proceeds with another BM attack and premise is to attack IDF/AF which played the crucial role in Attacking IRAN and causing casualties.

Iran Launches major BM strikes in very large numbers on all IDF/AF airbases and civilian airports. very high saturated strikes hitting everything on the bases.

Iran targets Runways/Taxiways and they are successfully put out of commission since the BM attack is multiple waves 4-5 hours long. yes they will be repaired but it will take time always. IDF/AF as soon as BM strikes were launched all its serviceable aircraft were put in air.

Now quite large number of aircraft are in air, with all Airbases/airports in Entity are damaged heavily and runways and taxiways are damaged. (military and civilian)

Where do they go and land?

Egypt, Jordan and Cyprus/Turkey??

what would be the status?

they can land on highways and it's very difficult to put every single taxiway out of commission at once

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Persian Gulf]

Israeli Knesset member Vladimir Belyak:

There is a huge gap between the boastful statements of the cabinet ministers and the actual results of the attack on Iran

Israeli attack on Iran did not cause any strategic damage

 

[Tijani]

What part of it is nonsense exactly?

Before Iran launches True Promise III, we really need to find reliable answers to these questions:

Which countries helped Israel get close to our air space?
We know that Jordan did it. We know that Iraq didn't do anything. There is some evidence suggesting that Azerbaijan helped Israel in this attack. The US is said to have provided Israel with an air corridor. If the US jet fighters escorted Israeli fighters, where did they take off from? Al-Udaida in Qatar? Both Azerbaijan and Qatar have super amicable ties with Erdogan. So, it seems that Turkey might be indirectly involved as well.

What can Iran do to limit the effects of a similar attack in future?

Massive attack thwarted by Iran's AD.

Khamenei has long been against strengthening the Air Force.

When, where and how?

If this ping-pong continues, our OTH sites will definitely be targeted next, rendering us blind against cruise missile attacks.

Utter nonsense. Your assumption is not a fact. If they could they would've.

Also, Iran is a large country and Israel has proven times and times again that it can launch quadcopters against critical facilities in Iran by assembling them inside Iran. Other than that, our eastern border and central parts of Iran have terrible radar coverage since the Shah era and the US can help Israel launch larger drones deep into our territory.

Stop talking as if the US and the zionist entity is acting in vacuum where Iran is a sitting duck.

How long can this ping-pong continue until one side gives up?
If things remain as they are, IDF having a superior air force will most likely come out victorious in this ping-pong fight, particularly if they focus on our energy infrastructure in Khuzestan instead of trying to attack deep into Iranian territory.

Their airforce won't mean anything if they go down that route. The occupying regime will be destroyed if it does. It's confined on a small space with no strategic depth.

Iran, on the other hand, at some point will run out of MRBMs and if IDF continues to target Iranian missile production sites, we won't be able to restore our stocks at a sustainable rate.

This point is probably the most nonsensical of your post. The combined West will run out of bullets before Iran runs out of missiles. War is production. Iran has put the majority of its weapons production on producing thousands of missiles yearly over decades.

Will Iranian allies/proxies participate in the war?

Already proven!

If Iranian allies like Syria, Iraqi groups, Hezbollah and Houthis of Yemen do not directly get involved in the war, the situation will be really bad for Iran. Hezbollah and Syria need to keep the IDF busy on the ground (launch an invasion of Israel) and Houthis of Yemen need to enforce a blockade on Israeli trade.

Already answered.

And this has to be meaningful. Not just token attacks without tactical or strategic value.

Apparently you've not been following the unfolding events in our world.

So, Iran doesn't seem ready for this war. Everyone agrees that economically, Iran is not ready for this war.

You clearly have no clue about the socioeconomic ability of Iran. Iran fought the holy defence against the combined West and East without even putting their economy on a war footing.

But even from a military point of view, Iran is not ready yet. And if I were an Iranian decision maker, I wouldn't rely on Russia or China delivering game-changing weapons to Iran.

Iran has prepared to fight the US without any assistance from any state a long time ago. It's defence doctrine is enshrined into its constitution.

Your whole post is just conjecture with you answering your own nonsensical assumptions.

I hope I've answered your question. Thank you