Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[925boy]

What people need to realize is that the biggest weakness of the US is actually the stock market. The vast bulk of the wealth of rich Americans is invested in stocks. Stocks, in turn, are overvalued. For example, Testa's market cap today is $904 billion while the biggest car company, Toyota is worth only $230 billion. Obviously, Tesla is overpriced. The stock market is a Ponzi scheme.

Anything that crashes the stock market will result in every rich American losing a big chunk of their wealth. Therefore, if a war runs a risk of causing a stock market crash they will never do it.

I agree the US stock market is a big vulnerability of the US system, and the main way it will collapse is through internal economic collapse (which is kind of happening in slow motion).

 

[925boy]

North Korea is still under sanctions and an international pariah that relies on Russia and China to survive.

Nuclear weapons won’t get Iran free from the shackles of trade embargo, sanctions, and exclusion from trade with most of the Western world. It would prevent Iran from a land invasion, which is a remote possibility anyway given the terrain and size of Iran.

So nuclear weapons doesn’t solve the problem for Iran unless it plans to acquire them only to give them away as negotiation pawns.

You greatly underestimate how much economic access and success Iran has achieved while being under US sanctions. Seriously- if you look at the relevant numbers objectively, you will see that Iran has been improving its economic position and power over time. Just dont analyze non-Western economies using "Western" methods and standards.

 

[925boy]

Could've been true if Jared Kushner wasn't his son-in-law. I don't think Trump really has anything against the Palestinians, it's Jared.

Trump doesn't have issues with Palestinians, but since he's under Zionist influence or control, he automatically has to have issues with Palestinians if Israel does or says it does, simple.

Conclusion- Trump has issues with Palestinians. Trump handing East Jerusalem to Israel was a very treacherous anti-Palestinian move. Most previous US presidents feared to do this, but Trump actually did it (and it is a big contributor to the instability and wars in the Levant and ME we see today).

 

[925boy]

declaring war on global trade is not a good solution

Would Yemen agree with you? Yemen beat up NATO and Israeli ships in the Red Sea so much, it disrupted global trade and Yemen hasn't paid too high a cost yet in retaliation from the West for doing that.

The West is weaker than it looks, and every real geopolitical test it faces today shows us that.

 

[UKBengali]

The West is weaker than it looks, and every real geopolitical test today shows us that.

So many people seem to be wetting their pants after Trump won.

US has pretty much done its worst and US ME policy is too important to be at the whim of one man like Trump. It is run by the US "Deep State".

It was not Biden that decided not to attack Iran to protect the entity but the US "Deep State" as far too much US interest is at stake here to keep to the whim of one person and those whispering in his ear.

 

[925boy]

If ME oil is blocked, US/Europe will lift sanctions and buy directly from Russia which can increase production to meet any shortfall.

Also, Norway and the US have a lot of oil and gas. For decades, the US saved its own resources and bought from others to use up their resources. It was a strategic decision.

US cant even keep oil sanctions on Russia AND Venezuela at the same time, because disrupts the global oil market too much- now that US and Russia are on bad terms, US already eased off sanctions on Venezuela, so it can access its oil and oil products. US can barely bully small countries like Venezuela, so can you imagine what little it really does to a beast like Iran that is in a much more strategic region, holds strategic territories, and has been busting sanctions for over 30 years? lmao.

When the US's collapse starts happening i think some on this thread and forum will take sabbaticals.

 

[925boy]

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Russia will want to sell it at a hefty price to make up for all the losses imposed on it.

and Russia would take the US's delicious foreign exchange $$$ from selling it oil to go beat up Ukraine and take more of its territory it doesn't need quicker. In today's hydrocarbon reliant world, you cant make Russia broke- know this and know peace.

 

[925boy]

I am not even going to talk about the others but seriously you mentioned Norway here?!!


North Sea is a mature oil and gas area with diminishing reserves. What little may still be found is not going to make up for production.

Production forecasts - Norwegianpetroleum.no

Historical data and latest production outlook of oil and gas on the Norwegian Continental Shelf.

www.norskpetroleum.no

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Reserves are projected to fall, even with "undiscovered reserves":

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Yes- Norway today is being run more and more by its oil trust fund, and less by oil sales/business.

 

[Persian Gulf]

You greatly underestimate how much economic access and success Iran has achieved while being under US sanctions.

unbelievably delusional take

ask any iranian who lives in iran if they agree with you

I was in iran recently and outside of north tehran things are not good at all

even empirically the cost of US sanctions is in the trillions of dollars

 

[vmro]

unbelievably delusional take

ask any iranian who lives in iran if they agree with you

I was in iran recently and outside of north tehran things are not good at all

even empirically the cost of US sanctions is in the trillions of dollars

I was in Iranian neighborhood, only iranian Beludzistan can match their life conditions, even iranian part is better than other 2...

Joke aside, what is now and what is probably there to stay as crucial difference between Iran and rest of the hood is institutional functionality...so no matter how bad is for heard it, Pakistan in many matters is not true nation state, Pakistan is military fortress packed as eternal nemesis of India, from Britain with love...

Now Iran is secured by plenty multilayered institutions, councils and other instances, as it ever was, they are always somewhat of professional state apparatus...

Also long story, history is based on geography, but it will be ot...However we are thinking about it, Iran is, unlike others, true national state in the neighborhood....with Turkey...

 

[jauk]

unbelievably delusional take

ask any iranian who lives in iran if they agree with you

I was in iran recently and outside of north tehran things are not good at all

even empirically the cost of US sanctions is in the trillions of dollars

Yellow flag: that’s basic hearsay. You use it quite a bit.

I see quite otherwise. Well to do but nagging incessantly. And that’s my hearsay.

However, what is a fact is Iranian world class entitlement and complaining.

 

[925boy]

unbelievably delusional take

Hmm..ok.

ask any iranian who lives in iran if they agree with you

thats the mistake you made- dont ask people for "opinions" on things you can ready and analyze objectively to understand, like economics. people shared their feelings with you, and you took that as facts? well no wonder you're confused about the state of Iran's real economy. They will tell you all the things they dont like or dont think they like or have, while leaving out all the good and things they take for granted that people in other countries dont have (like cheap cheap gas).

I was in iran recently and outside of north tehran things are not good at all

give me numbers or details, not opinions or perceptions or feelings.

even empirically the cost of US sanctions is in the trillions of dollars

But what would the cost to be Iran nationally, ideologically, religiously, historically etc if it let US have its way and it removed sanctions? More than those trillions of dollars you claim US sanctions caused- Iran as a nation CHOSE not to be a vassal of the US system (and that choice is not cost free)- you can't even put a price on the fact that Iranians still have their full culture and governance system in their country that they want (majority at least).

 

[StrategicBear]

True Promise 3 needs to deliver actual devastating blows to Israel's defense industries, and help degrade IOF operational capacity. In other words, we need more real-world results that can change the strategic situation surrounding the region and hinting at a major "game-changer".

 

[UKBengali]

US cant even keep oil sanctions on Russia AND Venezuela at the same time, because disrupts the global oil market too much- now that US and Russia are on bad terms, US already eased off sanctions on Venezuela, so it can access its oil and oil products. US can barely bully small countries like Venezuela, so can you imagine what little it really does to a beast like Iran that is in a much more strategic region, holds strategic territories, and has been busting sanctions for over 30 years? lmao.

When the US's collapse starts happening i think some on this thread and forum will take sabbaticals.

Some people here think that all that these countries need to do is to turn the tap a bit more and more oil will come out.

Oil fields have infrastructure and oil wells that support a certain capacity say 1 million barrels of oil a day. It may sometimes be possible to extract more without damaging the field but then you would be looking at anything from 3-6 months to many years.

Only KSA is know to have extra capacity that it can put online within weeks.

They have no clue about the basics of oil and gas engineering.

 

[vmro]

True Promise 3 needs to deliver actual devastating blows to Israel's defense industries, and help degrade IOF operational capacity. In other words, we need more real-world results that can change the strategic situation surrounding the region and hinting at a major "game-changer".

Nope, that is part iv...now iran will do something like previous two, but more quality and quantity...then no one will stop Israel to bomb iranian nuclear facilities...red line and boiling point of iranian "second strike"...Iran could repair the facilities with Russian support...Israel will look like Hiroshima, but less nuclear and more kinetic...

I thought Indians were created by God to torment Pakistanis till the day of judgement.

French propaganda after being kicked out of semi-continent...