Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

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[Musings]

Anything else off topic or personal attacks - straight ban

 

[Kyussis]

Do you see, in times of war and propaganda, how infiltrators and hypocrites show their true colors? Infiltrators, moreover, are a far cry from the old forum.

 

[Kyussis]

I think the only reasonable conclusion at this point is that Khamenei is compromised and he is a Russian asset. The Russian TV (it was Sputnik, if my memory serves me well) once claimed (on the 50th anniversary of the RUDN university) that Khamenei was a graduate of political science from the RUDN (formerly known as Patrice Lumumba University).

The reason that he is so against Iran's missile and nuclear programs could be that Russia does not want Iran to get independent. Iran has cozied up to Russia even after being stabbed in the back by Putin and his circle of power multiple times. Let's not forget that many Israelis are originally from Soviet countries and Israel continues to have tremendous influence in today's Russia.

 

[OldTwilight]

preemptive attack on USA give mad men in USA free ticket to start total war with Iran ....
we should just stall them till the end of summer , either they the west get over with Iran nuclear program and accept Iran as DeFacto nuclear power , or they use trigger mechanism and then we can ( if the senile coward decision maker let ) exist NPT and go nuclear ....

Our best bet is to get Su-35 , S400 so we be able to start propaganda campaign and stall negotiation with USA till they 3 summer ... ( showing our own give Trump administration new propaganda feed to accelerate their plan of attacking Iran )


بهترین کار فعلا وقت تلف کردن ، تحویل سوخو 35 از روس ها و مظلوم نمایی هست ... سیاست مدارهای ما هم باید دم از مذاکره بزنند و سکوت کنند در غیر این صورت تنها راه اینه که بمب اتم به همراه موشک های ی با همون برد 2000 کیلومتر رو به صورت علنی تست کنیم

قبلش هم باید به صورت رسمی از ان پی تی خارج بشیم ...

با این جنگ تعرفه ای ترامپ که راه انداخته فعلا درگیر این قضیه هست ولی خطر اینه که سعی کنه با حمله به ایران ، این رو تحت شعاع قرار بده ....

ما فعلا باید سکوت کنیم .... دم از مذاکره و حل اختلافات به روش های دیپلماتیک بزنیم ....

 

[Mehdipersian]

GCC countries are servants of America and their wealth is the wealth of America and Israel.

In any war, their wealth should be burned first, and then attack Israel and American bases and ships

 

[Persian Gulf]

preemptive attack on USA give mad men in USA free ticket to start total war with Iran ....
we should just stall them till the end of summer , either they the west get over with Iran nuclear program and accept Iran as DeFacto nuclear power , or they use trigger mechanism and then we can ( if the senile coward decision maker let ) exist NPT and go nuclear ....

Our best bet is to get Su-35 , S400 so we be able to start propaganda campaign and stall negotiation with USA till they 3 summer ... ( showing our own give Trump administration new propaganda feed to accelerate their plan of attacking Iran )


بهترین کار فعلا وقت تلف کردن ، تحویل سوخو 35 از روس ها و مظلوم نمایی هست ... سیاست مدارهای ما هم باید دم از مذاکره بزنند و سکوت کنند در غیر این صورت تنها راه اینه که بمب اتم به همراه موشک های ی با همون برد 2000 کیلومتر رو به صورت علنی تست کنیم

قبلش هم باید به صورت رسمی از ان پی تی خارج بشیم ...

با این جنگ تعرفه ای ترامپ که راه انداخته فعلا درگیر این قضیه هست ولی خطر اینه که سعی کنه با حمله به ایران ، این رو تحت شعاع قرار بده ....

ما فعلا باید سکوت کنیم .... دم از مذاکره و حل اختلافات به روش های دیپلماتیک بزنیم ....

I agree with you but problem is Trump and Bibi have a shorter timeline and won't let Iran drag it out too long

Bibi is very hungry for war with Iran, especially after he saw how much IRI is scared of this war

 

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[ShapurII]

preemptive attack on USA give mad men in USA free ticket to start total war with Iran ....
we should just stall them till the end of summer , either they the west get over with Iran nuclear program and accept Iran as DeFacto nuclear power , or they use trigger mechanism and then we can ( if the senile coward decision maker let ) exist NPT and go nuclear ....

Our best bet is to get Su-35 , S400 so we be able to start propaganda campaign and stall negotiation with USA till they 3 summer ... ( showing our own give Trump administration new propaganda feed to accelerate their plan of attacking Iran )


بهترین کار فعلا وقت تلف کردن ، تحویل سوخو 35 از روس ها و مظلوم نمایی هست ... سیاست مدارهای ما هم باید دم از مذاکره بزنند و سکوت کنند در غیر این صورت تنها راه اینه که بمب اتم به همراه موشک های ی با همون برد 2000 کیلومتر رو به صورت علنی تست کنیم

قبلش هم باید به صورت رسمی از ان پی تی خارج بشیم ...

با این جنگ تعرفه ای ترامپ که راه انداخته فعلا درگیر این قضیه هست ولی خطر اینه که سعی کنه با حمله به ایران ، این رو تحت شعاع قرار بده ....

ما فعلا باید سکوت کنیم .... دم از مذاکره و حل اختلافات به روش های دیپلماتیک بزنیم ....

I think you are overlooking the gravity of the situation.
Trump has literally given Iran an ultimatum.
Sign a deal with his conditions (worse than JCPOA) in 2 months, or they will bomb Iran.

The IR should prepare for the war scenario. Even if they sign a deal with them, it will only be to defang Iran militarily. Netanyahu is going to the US to tell Trump to have the most extreme requests, similar to what they offered to Ghaddafi and he accepted their terms in fear.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I think you are overlooking the gravity of the situation.
Trump has literally given Iran an ultimatum.
Sign a deal with his conditions (worse than JCPOA) in 2 months, or they will bomb Iran.

The IR should prepare for the war scenario. Even if they sign a deal with them, it will only be to defang Iran militarily. Netanyahu is going to the US to tell Trump to have the most extreme requests, similar to what they offered to Ghaddafi and he accepted their terms in fear.

Bibi is pushing for Libya model of total dismantling of nuclear infrastructure

same Libya model that Trump previously insulted on Twitter

best time for IRI to enter total war economy was years ago, second best time is now

 

[ShapurII]

Bibi is pushing for Libya model of total dismantling of nuclear infrastructure

same Libya model that Trump previously insulted on Twitter

best time for IRI to enter total war economy was years ago, second best time is now

They are too stupid to implement a war economy.
They can't even implement basic economic formulas for inflation.

Inflation in large cities is over 60% while interest rate is still 24%. Why would any idiot keep their money in banks in an economy like this?

 

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[Persian Gulf]

They are too stupid to implement a war economy.
They can't even implement basic economic formulas for inflation.

Inflation in large cities is over 60% while interest rate is still 24%. Why would any idiot keep their money in banks in an economy like this?

I give them more latitude than most people about role of US sanctions in this situation

when country is threatened with war by world's sole hyper power, currency will naturally not do well

then you add in decades of corruption and mismanagement as well and you get the current situation

Hajizadeh spoke about increase of govt funding and missile production, Bagheri spoke about implementing operations much larger than TP2 (suggesting 500-1000 missiles at once), so these are positive, but only time will tell

 

[lightning f57]

Why does Iran a country rich in oil and gas have a nuclear program?

Yes their gas and oil infrastructure is heavily sanctioned so nuclear power is very helpful, but IMO this isn't the primary reason. The main reason is to have the knowhow and material to break out into a nuclear state if an existential crisis erupts.

I think we are not there yet, if there are signs of US military build up for an attack on Iran which would have over 100k US troops in regionalong with hundreds of air craft, Iran would need to go nuclear, no ifs or buts.

Caving into a serial liar and taking a deal which means you have no leverage and possibility of full sanctions again plus no major deterrent would be stupid. If you dont believe me ask Ukraine.