Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Witkoff Says U.S. Open to Compromise Ahead of Iran Nuclear Talks​

Preventing ‘weaponization’ by Tehran is White House’s ’red line,’ says Trump’s special envoy to Middle East​

"Where our red line will be, there can’t be weaponization of your nuclear capability"

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/steve-witkoff-interview-iran-nuclear-talks-e41e0114?mod=hp_lead_pos2

Who's talking or considering Iranian red lines? The above red line is drawn on behalf of a colonial entity and it's sole survival at the behest of all that is true, real, objective and just.

Either that are we're coming for you... well accept and capitulate all you want and we're still coming for you... nothing is enough, nothing will suffice!

 

[Persian Gulf]

Who's talking or considering Iranian red lines? The above red line is drawn on behalf of a colonial entity and it's sole survival at the behest of all that is true, real, objective and just.

Either that are we're coming for you... well accept and capitulate all you want and we're still coming for you... nothing is enough, nothing will suffice!

Iran's redline is recognition of its legal right to enrich uranium. And to conduct some R&D on centrifuges.

 

[ShapurII]

Who's talking or considering Iranian red lines? The above red line is drawn on behalf of a colonial entity and it's sole survival at the behest of all that is true, real, objective and just.

Either that are we're coming for you... well accept and capitulate all you want and we're still coming for you... nothing is enough, nothing will suffice!

It's a good deal for Iran, the way Witkoff is talking about it.
It's just an extension of the JCPOA. It doesn't include Iran's ballistic missiles, drones, regional "proxies", etc.

I just hope that this deal would secure US economic interests in Iran. It will help Iran economically and it can be the best initiative for the US to honor the deal this time.

 

[Snake]

Iran has a win-win response to Trump: If America was unable to guarantee their ceasefire deal in Palestine why should Iran trust their nuclear deal?

 

[BigMela2onin]

"Where our red line will be, there can’t be weaponization of your nuclear capability"

Good news, that is Khamenei's red line too. So it should be an easy enough deal.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

It's a good deal for Iran, the way Witkoff is talking about it.
It's just an extension of the JCPOA. It doesn't include Iran's ballistic missiles, drones, regional "proxies", etc.

I just hope that this deal would secure US economic interests in Iran. It will help Iran economically and it can be the best initiative for the US to honor the deal this time.

The most dishonest and deceitful of men... spent his whole life swindling complacent and indifferent. The thing is his elaborate signature is worth less than the paper it is written on...

There are some who know his deal(art of), and treat him as such... see what Putin did? Committed to something and reduced from that point... just egged him along till he himself walked away.

All I'm saying is no deal can be had with a dishonest broker!

 

[Persian Gulf]

It's a good deal for Iran, the way Witkoff is talking about it.
It's just an extension of the JCPOA. It doesn't include Iran's ballistic missiles, drones, regional "proxies", etc.

I just hope that this deal would secure US economic interests in Iran. It will help Iran economically and it can be the best initiative for the US to honor the deal this time.

Agreed but unfortunately Trump cannot be relied upon to keep his word on anything

He negotiated a deal with Canada and Mexico and a few years later decided he wanted to renegotiate it, and that's Canada and Mexico not even Iran subject to ZIonist lobby

 

[ShapurII]

The most dishonest and deceitful of men... spent his whole life swindling complacent and indifferent. The thing is his elaborate signature is worth less than the paper it is written on...

There are some who know his deal(art of), and treat him as such... see what Putin did? Committed to something and reduced from that point... just egged him along till he himself walked away.

All I'm saying is no deal can be had with a dishonest broker!

What's the difference for Iran?
Iran hasn't weaponized its enriched uranium after 22 years of struggling with really tough sanctions.

We can continue to stockpile enriched uranium, but if we don't want to go after weaponization of it, it is absolutely useless and a complete waste of resources and energy.

Countries with commercial nuclear enrichment go after 1 million SWU U/year. Iran's SWU capacity is about 10K SWU UF6/year. Soon, we will have 3 nuclear reactors that each one of them requires 27 tones of uranium enriched to 3.5%. Our nuclear enrichment has to increase to 550,000 SWU UF6/year to support our own nuclear program for one year. Do you think the West will allow us to increase our enrichment 55 times? Of course not.

So, if we can't use our enriched uranium for our own nuclear reactors, and if we don't intend to use it for fission bombs, then why should we continue to do something that is useless and stupid?

 

[ShapurII]

Agreed but unfortunately Trump cannot be relied upon to keep his word on anything

He negotiated a deal with Canada and Mexico and a few years later decided he wanted to renegotiate it, and that's Canada and Mexico not even Iran subject to ZIonist lobby

Yes, but even in that case, we won't lose much.
We have no use for 60% HEU. Tehran's research reactor operate with 20% HALEU.
Our 3 nuclear reactors operate with 3.5% LEU.

We had plans to use 60% HEU for a nuclear submarine but we haven't even started to design it and even if we start to build it, it won't be finished in the next 5 years optimistically.

You probably don't remember this, but on the old forum, I clearly said that Iran had no strategy or plan for the 60% HEU. It was only meant as a negotiation card. It was enriched only to be diluted down to 3.5% or get sent abroad to Khamenei's favorite backstabber: Russia.

We used so much energy (I'm talking about electricity) and suffered so much economically to enrich uranium to 60% and now we don't know what to do with it because of a fool who has stopped our nuclear engineers from building the bomb.

 

[925boy]

welcome to the Third world war.

This could be more propaganda to pressure Iran to accept Nuclear and non-nuclear terms favorable to US.

What the US govt isnt telling anyone is that it is afraid to tell Americans that Americans had to die again in another war it wasn't authorized to fight on AMericans behalf.

After seeing US's not so good performance against Ansarallah over the past few weeks, Hajizadeh the IRGC commander made his comments about "US will not carry out its threats to attack us"- he may be literally wrong, and US may attack Iran, but thats not his point- his point is that US doesnt possess the necessary overall strength and determination to attack Iran in a way that either defeats Iran or forces to surrender, which means US losses...again.

 

[925boy]

Who will defend Iran from Nato/Israeli attacks?

If NATO and Israelis could successfully attack, why has it taken them over 30 years to do it?

Unless China/Russia makes it clear they will not tolerate attack on Iran then I doubt ww3 will happen.

NATO is already tired from the failing Ukraine war efforts and Israel cannot seriously attack Iran without US, which is also tired from Ukraine and low on ammunition (especially after excluding the ammunition stocks it needs for a Pacific "contingency")

Nato will bomb Iran, Iran in return will bomb middleeast bases which will turn all Arabs against Iran.

But Arabs dunno how to fight and their expensive buildings and infrastructure is more vulnerable, because without it, they go back to the stone ages, so they gave Iran the blackmail tools to use against them. Also dont forget oil through the Strait of Hormuz- if it stays shut for months, Iran will suffer, but the Western system and the ones their Arab puppets also rely on, will likely enter a coma and possibly collapse.

A great plan to isolate Iran in the region.

...that has never worked. I mean, lets see Israel and US actually dismantle HEzbollah FIRST- if they can do that, then we know they may be ready for an Iran war scenario. Until, then keep using PDF logic to conclude that a US that couldn't win any real war over the past 20 years will now beat Iran.

 

[925boy]

Even the Taliban or the ISIS can produce a gun-type weapon.
But we have credible information from Israeli sources that Iran worked on an implosion device similar to Mark V in US arsenal before 2003. Mainly in late 90s. Apparently, the Israeli nuclear engineers believed that Iran's device could achieve 30 kilotons but there isn't any information about how much uranium Iran had used to achieve that yield.

If Iran ACTUALLY could not make a nuclear weapon and deliver it soon/in a few week, US paranoia about Iran and its nuclear program wouldn't make sense.

Also given all the technology available and time passed that Iran has had access to, making a nuclear weapon now is most likely not difficult for Iran, i mean, N. Korea has them and is N Korea more technologically advanced than in Iran? No.

 

[ShapurII]

If Iran ACTUALLY could not make a nuclear weapon and deliver it soon/in a few week, US paranoia about Iran and its nuclear program wouldn't make sense.

Also given all the technology available and time passed that Iran has had access to, making a nuclear weapon now is most likely not difficult for Iran, i mean, N. Korea has them and is N Korea more technologically advanced than in Iran? No.

Yes, North Korea is more technologically advanced than Iran.
They are ahead of Iran in liquid-fueled missiles and they're miles ahead of Iran in nuclear technology.

But again, it is not a question of whether Iran can build an atomic weapon or not. Iran certainly can do that.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

What's the difference for Iran?
Iran hasn't weaponized its enriched uranium after 22 years of struggling with really tough sanctions.

We can continue to stockpile enriched uranium, but if we don't want to go after weaponization of it, it is absolutely useless and a complete waste of resources and energy.

Countries with commercial nuclear enrichment go after 1 million SWU U/year. Iran's SWU capacity is about 10K SWU UF6/year. Soon, we will have 3 nuclear reactors that each one of them requires 27 tones of uranium enriched to 3.5%. Our nuclear enrichment has to increase to 550,000 SWU UF6/year to support our own nuclear program for one year. Do you think the West will allow us to increase our enrichment 55 times? Of course not.

So, if we can't use our enriched uranium for our own nuclear reactors, and if we don't intend to use it for fission bombs, then why should we continue to do something that is useless and stupid?

Okay, so you have to step back a bit.
Why is Iran under the scanner in the first place?
Before uranium it was about oil,
Before Ayatollahs it was the shah,
Before theocracy it was autocracy...
What is the purpose of someone so concerned with Iranian affairs and how they deal within or in their region?
The equation is not zion has an ally and friend in Arabs, Kurds, Turks or Iranians. The one who seeks to rule and superimpose itself on the region seeks NONE!
Scattered and squabbling seeking zion as their SAVIOR!

Iran isn't in crosshairs because it seeks to produce its own electricity... it is because of what it endows and what it represents. A coherent mass that challenges a supremacist state. Who will not accept you AS IS even if you submit, kneel and kissed the ring. It is the same with regional Arab rump states... who eat seeing their own die and shown live on the big screen. It is the same for Turks and Egyptians.
I have nothing to prove here... they say so... did so and in time gung ho for what remains. Which is why those who claim that they kept their heads down find themslves hit harder... relegated to abomination Abbas like situation.

If Iran is to survive, there is nothing but to build up... bigger, better longer and keep repeating till you create enough of space between you and the belligerent. They must know that they are called out and fair play. The paradigm that sustains them is just about done... they will no longer have that window, utility nor capacity to overwhelm, escalate or respond with superior firepower.

in fact, if anything Iran should do military training and exercises with Russians, Chinese and other regional states. Go for a coalition and not solo... especially in talks. JCPOA had guarantors, they remained true... commit them... they didn't blink.

Thing is zion is now on an expedited timeline and the war on Iran was slated for Obama's terms... he dithered... but did deliver Libya... Miliekowsky chosen model for Iran. While they play good cop, bad cop routine.

 

[ShapurII]

Okay, so you have to step back a bit.
Why is Iran under the scanner in the first place?
Before uranium it was about oil,
Before Ayatollahs it was the shah,
Before theocracy it was autocracy...
What is the purpose of someone so concerned with Iranian affairs and how they deal within or in their region?
The equation is not zion has an ally and friend in Arabs, Kurds, Turks or Iranians. The one who seeks to rule and superimpose itself on the region seeks NONE!
Scattered and squabbling seeking zion as their SAVIOR!

Iran isn't in crosshairs because it seeks to produce its own electricity... it is because of what it endows and what it represents. A coherent mass that challenges a supremacist state. Who will not accept you AS IS even if you submit, kneel and kissed the ring. It is the same with regional Arab rump states... who eat seeing their own die and shown live on the big screen. It is the same for Turks and Egyptians.
I have nothing to prove here... they say so... did so and in time gung ho for what remains. Which is why those who claim that they kept their heads down find themslves hit harder... relegated to abomination Abbas like situation.

If Iran is to survive, there is nothing but to build up... bigger, better longer and keep repeating till you create enough of space between you and the belligerent. They must know that they are called out and fair play. The paradigm that sustains them is just about done... they will no longer have that window, utility nor capacity to overwhelm, escalate or respond with superior firepower.

in fact, if anything Iran should do military training and exercises with Russians, Chinese and other regional states. Go for a coalition and not solo... especially in talks. JCPOA had guarantors, they remained true... commit them... they didn't blink.

Thing is zion is now on an expedited timeline and the war on Iran was slated for Obama's terms... he dithered... but did deliver Libya... Miliekowsky chosen model for Iran. While they play good cop, bad cop routine.

Dude, that's a long scroll of nonsense that is irrelevant to the current situation.

The Grand Ayatollah has decided that Iran cannot build nuclear weapons, for whatever reason. I think it's stupid, but let it be. Other than for weaponization, Iran's nuclear program does not have the technical scale to be used for anything of civilian value other than running the Tehran research reactor for a short time. But even the TRR has to be replaced soon and we have no plans for that. So, it makes no sense for Iran to keep playing this losing game.

The rest of it is nonsense.