Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Persian Gulf said:
which conclusions did I rush to exactly?
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"this is a tragedy and yet another incompetent failure

but at least it is good practice on dealing with large explosions of explosive material"

Do you know if it was an accident or if it was Sabotage. If it was sabotage, do you know the method used to determine that reasonable "competence" would be enough to foil the saboteurs?
 
ShapurII said:
Why do you guys always need a scapegoat? Zarif, Pezeshkian, Rohani, Khatami, etc. When will you acknowledge that it is the entirety of the system that has failed and is becoming more and more incompetent each day?

Was Pezeshkian responsible for Raeesi's flight safety and security? Who manipulated the election by creating Ghalibaf vs. Jalili polarity to divide the conservatives and pave the way for Pezeshkian's presidency?

And what if it was Israeli sabotage? Do you think Pezeshkian should release that type of highly sensitive, confidential information? Do you think the IR will declare war on Israel to take revenge for the long list of things they have done?

I am not a fan of Pezeshkian, or the reformists, but it is the whole system that is failing, not just one or two reformist politicians.
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Because it is the Government's responsibility. He is the head of the Government. I know you like to blame Khamenei and Sepah and anyone else except for those who's job it is to actually carry out an investigation of that nature!
 
Kyussis said:
"this is a tragedy and yet another incompetent failure

but at least it is good practice on dealing with large explosions of explosive material"

Do you know if it was an accident or if it was Sabotage. If it was sabotage, do you know the method used to determine that reasonable "competence" would be enough to foil the saboteurs?
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you are saying there is no level of competence that can stop this sabotage

quite ironic after Araghchi put out his tweet a few days ago about Iranian security forces being on full alert
 
Kyussis said:
Because it is the Government's responsibility. He is the head of the Government. I know you like to blame Khamenei and Sepah and anyone else except for those who's job it is to actually carry out an investigation of that nature!
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I blame the whole system, not just one person or group. We are witnessing, year after year, incompetence at the highest level. 3 governments have changed since the Ahmadinejad administration (who was blamed for all the problems in the country by both the reformists and the conservatives during his 2nd term) and the situation is getting worse each time. So, add two and two together.

But let me at least answer your question about how to foil sabotage plots. A port this large is obviously prone to sabotage by a state actor, but this is where deterrence comes into play. This is what happens when your enemy realizes that they can do whatever they want with no retaliation, because the system ruling over the country is corrupt to the core, has no faith in their declared values, and wants to remain in power at any cost.
 
ShapurII said:
I blame the whole system, not just one person or group. We are witnessing, year after year, incompetence at the highest level. 3 governments have changed since the Ahmadinejad administration (who was blamed for all the problems in the country by both the reformists and the conservatives during his 2nd term) and the situation is getting worse each time. So, add two and two together.

But let me at least answer your question about how to foil sabotage plots. A port this large is obviously prone to sabotage by a state actor, but this is where deterrence comes into play. This is what happens when your enemy realizes that they can do whatever they want with no retaliation, because the system ruling over the country is corrupt to the core, has no faith in their declared values, and wants to remain in power at any cost.
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The cause of it is putting wrong people on wrong positions: Corruption, nepotism, famil-bazi/tribalism. That can only happen if corrupt pro-nepotism figures rule the country (Shamkhani, Rouhani, Ghalibaf and 40 other thieves). The hero is not born yet, to clean up the country from roots.

We know Khamenei is Not Sasan, Not Shapur the great, Not Cyrus the great, Not Darius the Great, Not Nader, Shah Abbas, nor Amir Kabir or even Reza Shah.
He has no "tokhm" and no vision to wipe out corruption and nepotism. He's acting more like an abbasid caliph, being puppet of greater or surrounding forces and watching Iran being harmed and eaten by locusts and leeches. He's not a player, he's played. This is the fact untill now and I don't see how it will suddenly change at his age.
 
Why would NYT know the cause of the accident?
This is tantamount to the U.S. confessing to being behind the explosion.
Such reports were made every time during the repeated terrorist attacks in Russia.
Claiming it was either a false flag operation by the Russian government or an accident.
But everything was a terrorist act orchestrated by the U.S./Kyiv.
 
Hormozgan Governor Mohammad Ashouri Taziani made the announcement on Sunday after 25 people were killed and 752 others wounded at the immense explosion that rocked the container port, which is located in Bandar Abbas and handles 80 million tons of goods a year.

www.presstv.ir

Iran’s Hormozgan province declares three days of public mourning over deadly explosion

Iran’s southern Hormozgan Province announces three days of public mourning over a deadly blast at the port of Shahid Rajaee.
www.presstv.ir www.presstv.ir
 
shapurzolaktaf said:
The cause of it is putting wrong people on wrong positions: Corruption, nepotism, famil-bazi/tribalism. That can only happen if corrupt pro-nepotism figures rule the country (Shamkhani, Rouhani, Ghalibaf and 40 other thieves). The hero is not born yet, to clean up the country from roots.

We know Khamenei is Not Sasan, Not Shapur the great, Not Cyrus the great, Not Darius the Great, Not Nader, Shah Abbas, nor Amir Kabir or even Reza Shah.
He has no "tokhm" and no vision to wipe out corruption and nepotism. He's acting more like an abbasid caliph, being puppet of greater or surrounding forces and watching Iran being harmed and eaten by locusts and leeches. He's not a player, he's played. This is the fact untill now and I don't see how it will suddenly change at his age.
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Now, while I am reading this, and adding a description in some msm and self-reflection of actual president as moderate reformist...

I have to admit that my impressions of this are that in Iran, maybe, silent takeover is happening behind the scenes...

Actual president can't do too much on his own without being supported by some of the centers of power... Or elements of the Iranian deep state, not in negative connotation but deep state as state's apparatus...

Clerical elite, bazaaris, military leadership, political influencers, local authority network, scientific masterminds... just some of the power centers...

Duality of Iranian complex political system could create an internal group with different approach in the mind...

As far as I know, Khatami insisted that there is no need for drastic reshape of the system to make different ways in Iranian society and political behavior... all these things are possible just with re-interpretation of actual laws and regulations to make the difference...

But this is my pure speculation based on how I feel about this situation...
 
Garcia Sea said:
Why would NYT know the cause of the accident?
This is tantamount to the U.S. confessing to being behind the explosion.
Such reports were made every time during the repeated terrorist attacks in Russia.
Claiming it was either a false flag operation by the Russian government or an accident.
But everything was a terrorist act orchestrated by the U.S./Kyiv.
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The NYT should not be considered a trust-worthy source.
 
Persian Gulf said:
you are saying there is no level of competence that can stop this sabotage

quite ironic after Araghchi put out his tweet a few days ago about Iranian security forces being on full alert
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There is no such thing as 100% secure ,especially when it comes to the level of sophistication that the U.S and Israel enjoy and the amount of traitors that exist in Iran!
 
Persian Gulf said:
you are saying there is no level of competence that can stop this sabotage

quite ironic after Araghchi put out his tweet a few days ago about Iranian security forces being on full alert
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NY Times , along with all of the major US publications are completely controlled and can not be trusted . Anyone with a half brain after the last eight years knows half of their reports are all psychological ops with their “ anonymous sources” . There’s no doubt that this regime has a corruption problem. For the first time in the history of Iran, we have an oligarchy that mirrors some of the most corrupt countries like Ukraine . The military and IRCG are not clueless to leave valueable militar assets easily accessible .
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FUB said:
NY Times , along with all of the major US publications are completely controlled and can not be trusted . Anyone with a half brain after the last eight years knows half of their reports are all psychological ops with their “ anonymous sources” . There’s no doubt that this regime has a corruption problem. For the first time in the history of Iran, we have an oligarchy that mirrors some of the most corrupt countries like Ukraine . The military and IRCG are not clueless to leave valueable militar assets easily accessible .
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"Anonymous source" is translated to "What we personally think but we have to cover it as an anonymous source so people will trust it easier"
 
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