Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[hyperman]

this is a very foolish idea if Iran agreed to this.

 

[tsunset]

Bipolar Israel denies NYT report that Israel wants to attack Iran

 

[Watandar]

I think chances of an Israeli attack on Iran remain very high. Netanyahu has gotten away with everything so far so he probably thinks he can get away with attacking Iran as well, even if it may not have the desired results of dismantling Iran nuke program. His assessment that the US would still protect Israel from Iranian retaliation are correct, the last two years have cleared up any doubts that AIPAC/ADL effectively own the US congress and executive.

Another Israel-Iran tit for tat would effectively scuttle the current negotiations between Iran and international community for at least another 6 months too.

 

[Falcon29]

this is a very foolish idea if Iran agreed to this.

They refuted report:
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Iranian Foreign Ministry: Uranium enrichmentfor Iran is a non-negotiable principle, and what Reuters claimed is nothing but media rumors.

 

[ShapurII]

I think chances of an Israeli attack on Iran remain very high. Netanyahu has gotten away with everything so far so he probably thinks he can get away with attacking Iran as well, even if it may not have the desired results of dismantling Iran nuke program. His assessment that the US would still protect Israel from Iranian retaliation are correct, the last two years have cleared up any doubts that AIPAC/ADL effectively own the US congress and executive.

Another Israel-Iran tit for tat would effectively scuttle the current negotiations between Iran and international community for at least another 6 months too.

I think the chance of sabotage is higher than the chance of a military strike.
Israel does not have the means to strike hardened targets deep inside Iranian territory. Tactical strikes here and there, yes. But Fordow, or even underground parts of Natanz like the FEP, are completely outside of Israel's capabilities.

 

[tsunset]

I think chances of an Israeli attack on Iran remain very high. Netanyahu has gotten away with everything so far so he probably thinks he can get away with attacking Iran as well, even if it may not have the desired results of dismantling Iran nuke program. His assessment that the US would still protect Israel from Iranian retaliation are correct, the last two years have cleared up any doubts that AIPAC/ADL effectively own the US congress and executive.

Another Israel-Iran tit for tat would effectively scuttle the current negotiations between Iran and international community for at least another 6 months too.

They cannot destroy a single Lebanese/Yemeni underground complex beside hitting their entrances which are repaired in not even days from the inside, they want to achieve their first underground complex successful strike deep inside Iran?

IADS will cook IAF in Pakistani-style performance if they plan on using bombs and not ALBMs pushed to their maximum range

 

[delta2]

Stupid mullas!

Just test your nuke and get it over with so that the world can move on, the Arabs scramble to build and test theirs too, so that the colonizers lose their sleep completely, pack up and move back to Europe so Paleatine can fnally breathe some fresh air. This will also greatly relieve pressure on Pakistan.

There is no down side to it.

The end of that racist evil entity will bring world peace!

 

[Persian Gulf]

this is a very foolish idea if Iran agreed to this.

US redline: zero enrichment in Iran.

Iran redline: legal right to enrichment for civilian purposes.

Compromise: Iran temporarily pauses enrichment for one year while US publicly accepts Iran's legal right to enrichment. Iran then resumes enrichment after one year having had its right to enrich recognised.

This seems like a better outcome for Iran than the US as it is the US that is ultimately backing down from its demand that Iran cannot enrich any uranium for any purpose.

But the Reuters articles claims this has not even been discussed at the talks yet and it is not clear that Iran would even accept a temporary pause in enrichment.

 

[Watandar]

They cannot destroy a single Lebanese/Yemeni underground complex beside hitting their entrances which are repaired in not even days from the inside, they want to achieve their first underground complex successful strike deep inside Iran?

IADS will cook IAF in Pakistani-style performance if they plan on using bombs and not ALBMs pushed to their maximum range

Israelis are irrational now, just look at Gaza. They might even attack something non-nuclear, like IRI leadership or energy infrastructure or missle related sites. They are very likely to do something that will make it very very hard for Iran not to respond, and the subsequent tit for tat will scuttle the nuke negotiations and broader rapproachment betwee Iran and international community.

My predictions are IRI leadership targeted via covert means and energy infrastructure via IAF.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Clash Report proven to be totally unreliable as usual.

 

[ShapurII]

He has failed on all fronts. Iran should not give him an easy win.

Yeah, let's sacrifice our own national interests not to give him an easy win.
Let's continue to play the tough guy that has worked so wonderfully in favor of our economic and security interests so far.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Yeah, let's sacrifice our own national interests not to give him an easy win.
Let's continue to play the tough guy that has worked so wonderfully in favor of our economic and security interests so far.

Giving him an easy win is sacrificing our national interests.

Iran has never played the tough guy, we let Israel be the only nuclear state in the region, we let them kill our top scientists unanswered, we let them kill 5 Iranians in direct bombings unanswered ... etc. The revolutionary spirit of taking American diplomats hostage is long gone.

IRI took two years from when Trump withdrew from the JCPOA to start retaliating for god's sake.

 

[hyperman]

US redline: zero enrichment in Iran.

Iran redline: legal right to enrichment for civilian purposes.

Compromise: Iran temporarily pauses enrichment for one year while US publicly accepts Iran's legal right to enrichment. Iran then resumes enrichment after one year having had its right to enrich recognised.

This seems like a better outcome for Iran than the US as it is the US that is ultimately backing down from its demand that Iran cannot enrich any uranium for any purpose.

But the Reuters articles claims this has not even been discussed at the talks yet and it is not clear that Iran would even accept a temporary pause in enrichment.

Its a trap, if enrichment stops its not easy to restart back up again. And there is a loss of latent capacity. For the latent capacity to be viable throughout, the enrichment process cannot be stopped.

 

[ShapurII]

Giving him an easy win is sacrificing our national interests.

Iran has never played the tough guy, we let Israel be the only nuclear state in the region, we let them kill our top scientists unanswered, we let them kill 5 Iranians in direct bombings unanswered ... etc. The revolutionary spirit of taking American diplomats hostage is long gone.

IRI took two years from when Trump withdrew from the JCPOA to start retaliating for god's sake.

No, keeping the status quo where we are under sanctions and our regional influence is shrinking day by day but we don't have the cojones to build nukes is sacrificing our national interests, and it must end immediately. The sooner, the better. If anything, the IR should thank their lucky stars that Trump wants a deal instead of doing something stupid like assassinating one of our other main figures. And we know quite well that he's capable of doing such a thing because he has done it once.

We let Israel be the only nuclear state in the region? We let them get away? So, should they thank us for that? You think corruption and selling our national interests for the lowest price in the IR is a nice gesture that we do voluntarily? You don't think, by any chance, it has anything to do with the fact that Russia, with Jewish oligarchs, has too much influence over our country?

IR never retaliated because they are not in control of the situation. They haven't been in control of the situation after the JCPOA and after Trump assassinated Gen. Soleimani. They did brag about retaliation (uranium metal production, rebuilding IR-40 reactor, 190K SWU UF6/year, blah blah blah), but they proved incapable of executing any of those threats. The guy who had the balls to do what he bragged about was Ahmadinejad and the system removed him from power completely.

 

[Falcon29]

US redline: zero enrichment in Iran.

Iran redline: legal right to enrichment for civilian purposes.

Compromise: Iran temporarily pauses enrichment for one year while US publicly accepts Iran's legal right to enrichment. Iran then resumes enrichment after one year having had its right to enrich recognised.

This seems like a better outcome for Iran than the US as it is the US that is ultimately backing down from its demand that Iran cannot enrich any uranium for any purpose.

But the Reuters articles claims this has not even been discussed at the talks yet and it is not clear that Iran would even accept a temporary pause in enrichment.

It makes it seem like Iran doesn't know what it wants. Happens with every US administration.

Stopping enrichment and getting enriched uranium out of country would be making a big concession.

All it took was US telling Israel to make threats then when Iran caves in start saying Trump warned Bibi against striking Iran and US is trying to prevent such a strike. When in reality no such thing is on the table. Iran is being played and Iranian government is playing along without even trying.