Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[SolarWarden]

If this is true, then it is the ideal scenario to carry out TP3, TP4, and beyond

Btw, I think they are playing the roles of good cop and bad cop, and our reformists lack some guts

Mmm. I think if Trump reaches an agreement with Iran and Israel attacks, Trump is going to be pissed off and Israel on her own. Trump has many flaws and one of them is he likes being glorified as a peace maker which will happen if Trump reaches an agreement with Iran and it's signed... not to mention the Abraham accords having more Arab nations signing up. Israel/Bibi F's this up for Trump he will throw Bibi under the bus and personally drive the Bus.

 

[Falcon29]

I feel like these disgraced baby-killer goons from 12,000 kilometers away are more in a state of fear rather than being in an offensive posture, and they fear TP3

They may carry out sabotages in Iran, which is why they fear TP3 and it's severe consequences

And this is a very clear war between falsehood and truth

And by Iran's victory many things will change

Agree with you. They will try sabatoges, terror attacks over the course of the year (they'll try some things maybe succeed maybe not ). They won't go do airstrikes on Iran, especially not with intention of attacking their nuclear program.

Israeli's don't like to feel vulnerable. Their iron dome is not meant for Iranian drones and ballistic missiles. Their Arrow/Thaad 200-300 interceptors would run out if Iran fires off a wave of drones to deplete their defenses, then makes Israeli's vulnerable to incoming drone and ballistic missile strikes. Which is a feeling they can't cope with and don't want.

Remember they haven't truly felt what it's like for airstrike or powerful warhead to hit a urban area. They are not used to having a building entirely crushed. Imagine 500 drones hitting targets in Tel Aviv after their interceptors have been depleted. They would be shook.

 

[Abdulaziz]

Saudi Arabia probably can't develop nukes even if they wanted to but it doesn't align with their 2030 vision anyway.

Saudi Arabia already has it the and the Americans and everyone has known this for decades now hence starting producing ourselves in our territory will just be the same shxt. KSA has nukes is an open secret basically known by everybody

 

[mythbuster]

I feel like these disgraced baby-killer goons from 12,000 kilometers away are more in a state of fear rather than being in an offensive posture, and they fear TP3

They may carry out sabotages in Iran, which is why they fear TP3 and it's severe consequences

And this is a very clear war between falsehood and truth

And by Iran's victory many things will change

Come back to earth...who is right and who's wrong has become irrelevant.,.. Iranian may be very brave and honourable but they lack the military muscle to defend themselves....... if Iranian do not reach an agreement it's gonna be an Armageddon....as a Pakistani my fear is Pakistan may get involved on Iranian side .....it may screw up the entire region or may even lead to world war ....... keep your heads cool.

 

[delta2]

Exactly. Dunno why they aren’t doing it yet. It seems they Want the actions to be lifted badly.

They have oil, gas, minerals, and a home grown industry. Access to a few financial instruments/tricks of the Wall Street will not bring any real benefit to an average Iranian citizen.

If Iran tests the nuke they can solve many, many issues, the ones they are experiencing as well as the ones they do not even see or comprehend yet. There will be no pressure from Russia or China on Iran. They will not pause any economic activity with Iran over it even for one hour let alone stopping it.

If the Mullahs still do not test their nukes now, it means there is something else completely sinister is going on here.

 

[StormBreaker]

They have oil, gas, minerals, and a home grown industry. Access to a few financial instruments/tricks of the Wall Street will not bring any real benefit to an average Iranian citizen.

If Iran tests the nuke they can solve many, many issues, the ones they are experiencing as well as the ones they do not even see or comprehend yet. There will be no pressure from Russia or China on Iran. They will not pause any economic activity with Iran over it even for one hour let alone stopping it.

If the Mullahs still do not test their nukes now, it means there is something else completely sinister is going on here.

And that something else would be the mother of all deceptions and Pakistan is at the most unfortunate position.

 

[retaxis]

If Israel attacks Iran first than trump will have no choice but to join in to fight. Otherwise Trump is too scared to fight Iran by himself

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

I agree with this but I don't think Iran developing nuclear weapons would lead to such a nuclear arms race since the Arab nations are too closely reliant on the US.

I think Saudi Arabia has already it's intent to develop nuclear weapons.

Crown prince confirms Saudi Arabia will seek nuclear arsenal if Iran develops one

White House hopes to secure nuclear cooperation deal with Riyadh as Chinese influence grows in Middle East

www.theguardian.com

The whole pressure on Iran is just to prevent any of the 23 Arab countries from acquiring nuclear weapons.

Also, ...

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-plans-enrich-sell-uranium-energy-minister-says-2025-01-13/

 

[Persian Gulf]

I think Saudi Arabia has already it's intent to develop nuclear weapons.

Crown prince confirms Saudi Arabia will seek nuclear arsenal if Iran develops one

White House hopes to secure nuclear cooperation deal with Riyadh as Chinese influence grows in Middle East

www.theguardian.com

The whole pressure on Iran is just to prevent any of the 23 Arab countries from acquiring nuclear weapons.

Also, ...

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-plans-enrich-sell-uranium-energy-minister-says-2025-01-13/

it's all nonsense, none of them have the ability or will to develop nuclear weapons. you can't just wake up one day and build it, you need infrastructure which none of these countries have

 

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Oman's FM visited Tehran with a proposal from the USA

 

[delta2]

And that something else would be the mother of all deceptions and Pakistan is at the most unfortunate position.

Care to elaborate?

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

it's all nonsense, none of them have the ability or will to develop nuclear weapons. you can't just wake up one day and build it, you need infrastructure which none of these countries have

I think Saudi Arabia has a small nuclear research facility and they're currently negotiating with South Korea to build a proper nuclear plant.

Saudi Goes Nuclear With Trump's Help

The UAE has 4 active nuclear reactors since 2012.

Nuclear Power in the United Arab Emirates - World Nuclear Association

The UAE has commenced a nuclear power programme. It accepted a bid from a South Korean consortium to build four commercial nuclear power reactors at Barakah, the first of which was grid connected in August 2020.

world-nuclear.org

While Egypt has 4 reactors under construction.

Egypt - Reactor Database - World Nuclear Association

 

[Persian Gulf]

I think Saudi Arabia has a small nuclear research facility and they're currently negotiating with South Korea to build a proper nuclear plant.

Saudi Goes Nuclear With Trump's Help

The UAE has 4 active nuclear reactors since 2012.

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Nuclear Power in the United Arab Emirates - World Nuclear Association

The UAE has commenced a nuclear power programme. It accepted a bid from a South Korean consortium to build four commercial nuclear power reactors at Barakah, the first of which was grid connected in August 2020.

world-nuclear.org

While Egypt has 4 reactors under construction.

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Egypt - Reactor Database - World Nuclear Association

civilian reactors alone are far from sufficient. but this isn't the correct thread to discuss that.

 

[StormBreaker]

Care to elaborate?

Elaboration would offend a good portion of members.