Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

White House envoy Steve Witkoff has sent on Saturday to Iran "a detailed and acceptable proposal" for a nuclear deal, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said

Why it matters: The written U.S. proposal tries to break the logjam around the main sticking point in the talks - Iran's demand to continue enriching uranium on its soil, U.S. official say

One of the ideas the U.S. is proposing is to establish a regional consortium that will enrich uranium for civilian nuclear programs under IAEA and U.S. monitoring

Another idea is that the U.S. recognizes Iran's right to enrich uranium, while Iran fully suspends its uranium enrichment, sources say

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regional consortium idea (where Iran continues to enrich uranium on Iranian soil) is the only possible alternative to war/Iran with nuclear weapons, because Iran will not agree to stop enriching uranium, not even temporarily

but this idea is very complicated and raises more questions than it answers
 
Persian Gulf said:
Xumas is one thing, Iran International is another. Even Clash Report is better than them lol (though they do often have good sources)
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I hate Iran International too, its a zionist rag, but this was the only tweet(popularly tweeted) I could find citing the nytimes article.
 
Persian Gulf said:
White House envoy Steve Witkoff has sent on Saturday to Iran "a detailed and acceptable proposal" for a nuclear deal, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said

Why it matters: The written U.S. proposal tries to break the logjam around the main sticking point in the talks - Iran's demand to continue enriching uranium on its soil, U.S. official say

One of the ideas the U.S. is proposing is to establish a regional consortium that will enrich uranium for civilian nuclear programs under IAEA and U.S. monitoring

Another idea is that the U.S. recognizes Iran's right to enrich uranium, while Iran fully suspends its uranium enrichment, sources say

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regional consortium idea (where Iran continues to enrich uranium on Iranian soil) is the only possible alternative to war/Iran with nuclear weapons, because Iran will not agree to stop enriching uranium, not even temporarily

but this idea is very complicated and raises more questions than it answers
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Do you know the timeline for the new Enrichment Site right next to Natanz? I've been watching Patarames videos but he hasn't commented on it much, only Fordow. i think if Iran hangs until that site is up, then they should have a decent alternative to Natanz which is currently vulnerable as its not underground like Fordow, and its enrichment capacity should be better than both the old Natanz and Fordow.
 
hyperman said:
Do you know the timeline for the new Enrichment Site right next to Natanz? I've been watching Patarames videos but he hasn't commented on it much, only Fordow. i think if Iran hangs until that site is up, then they should have a decent alternative to Natanz which is currently vulnerable as its not underground like Fordow, and its enrichment capacity should be better than both the old Natanz and Fordow.
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nobody knows the timeline, it's a huge facility built even further underground than Fordow, supposedly capable of manufacturing advanced centrifuges (such as IR-6 and beyond) and also hosting thousands of cascades of centrifuges too

it was supposed to be ready in 2022 but seems to be taking longer than expected. will be ready any year now...

and Natanz has two enrichment centres, one of them is underground and protected by c.10m thick concrete
 
hyperman said:
Do you know the timeline for the new Enrichment Site right next to Natanz? I've been watching Patarames videos but he hasn't commented on it much, only Fordow. i think if Iran hangs until that site is up, then they should have a decent alternative to Natanz which is currently vulnerable as its not underground like Fordow, and its enrichment capacity should be better than both the old Natanz and Fordow.
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The FEP of Natanz, which is really the main potential target of an Israeli strike, is already underground. Not all facilities at Natanz are above the ground.

On a side note, Iran's nuclear facilities have been designed to host well above 100,000 centrifuges. At full capacity, they would enable Iran to reach 1 million SWU/year.
 
RUSI 2025 analysis of US/Israeli military options against Iran's nuclear sites (Natanz, Fordow, and new Natanz sites):

conclusion: "destruction of Iran’s nuclear programme by military means is not feasible and even limited strikes carry significant escalatory risks"

www.rusi.org

The Challenges Involved in Military Strikes Against Iran’s Nuclear Programme

While strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities are often cast in the light of avoiding escalation, underlying all considerations is the efficacy of military action to halt proliferation, as discussed by Darya Dolzikova and Justin Bronk.
www.rusi.org www.rusi.org
 
Persian Gulf said:
conclusion: "destruction of Iran’s nuclear programme by military means is not feasible and even limited strikes carry significant escalatory risks"
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Are they basing their unfeasibility on the response from Iran? or are they basing their infeasibility on the physical incapability? b/c the Zio lunatics don't care about the consequences.
 
hyperman said:
Are they basing their unfeasibility on the response from Iran? or are they basing their infeasibility on the physical incapability? b/c the Zio lunatics don't care about the consequences.
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RUSI is the famous respected UK think tank, they are not affiliated with Israel. they base it on the depth/protection of the sites vs weapons available (especially to Israel, which does not possess the GBU-57), and the dispersion and number of the sites:

"The practical challenges of carrying out attacks against dispersed and hardened facilities makes clear the infeasibility of relying strictly on a military solution to the threat posed by Iran’s nuclear programme, likely necessitating a major operation to penetrate hardened facilities and/or degrade Iranian air defences. As has been repeatedly argued elsewhere, the highly dispersed nature and advanced state of the Iranian nuclear programme – including extensive latent expertise within the Iranian scientific community – further complicates efforts to eliminate the nuclear programme by military means."
 
War is big business in the US. There have been presidents in the past with ideas, but then the suits show up. The president changes his mind. There is no peace with Russia, and the Iranian establishment is wasting time. The sooner they abandon NPT and reveal their intentions, the sooner they can begin negotiating with leverage to avoid war. The sanctions will never be lifted unless Iran capitulates, agrees to lose territory, and undergoes a regime change.

Ukraine Launches Massive Drone Swarm Attack On Russian Airfields, Trump "Not Notified In Advance"​


by Tyler Durden
Sunday, Jun 01, 2025 - 09:40 AM
Update (1240ET):

On Sunday, the Russian Ministry of Defense issued an official statement that a coordinated Ukrainian drone swarm attack targeted and damaged military aircraft across several airbases located deep within Russian territory.

Affected airfields reportedly include:

  • Murmansk Oblast
  • Irkutsk Oblast
  • Ivanovo Oblast
  • Ryazan Oblast
  • Amur Oblast

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FUB said:
War is big business in the US. There have been presidents in the past with ideas, but then the suits show up. The president changes his mind. There is no peace with Russia, and the Iranian establishment is wasting time. The sooner they abandon NPT and reveal their intentions, the sooner they can begin negotiating with leverage to avoid war. The sanctions will never be lifted unless Iran capitulates, agrees to lose territory, and undergoes a regime change.

Ukraine Launches Massive Drone Swarm Attack On Russian Airfields, Trump "Not Notified In Advance"​


by Tyler Durden
Sunday, Jun 01, 2025 - 09:40 AM
Update (1240ET):

On Sunday, the Russian Ministry of Defense issued an official statement that a coordinated Ukrainian drone swarm attack targeted and damaged military aircraft across several airbases located deep within Russian territory.

Affected airfields reportedly include:

  • Murmansk Oblast
  • Irkutsk Oblast
  • Ivanovo Oblast
  • Ryazan Oblast
  • Amur Oblast

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
www.zerohedge.com www.zerohedge.com
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I'm a little skeptical on that one. I suspect the President was in the know but they are keeping it low key.
 
this consortium proposal is a non-starter if Iran cannot enrich in Iran.

it seems we are not close to a deal at all because the conflicting redlines cannot be reconciled unless one side backs down.
 
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