Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Salza]

Update :

Multiple Iranian cities are under attack by IAF right now. Iran claims that they have shot down 3 Israeli drones.

 

[ARMalik]

 

[Sarhang]

Maybe it's better for IR not to have nukes. They are too incompetent and will end up blowing up our entire nation....

 

[OldTwilight]

yes, he made these stupid statements and he is a heart surgeon, isn't he?

he is in wrong place at wrong time thanks to khamenei which disqualified everyone else ....

 

[Ali_Baba]

What is Israel’s calculus here?

Is it simply to take out Iran's nuclear facilities and damage its missile factories? That may be achievable — but at an unknown cost. So far, Iran has only used about 6% of its ballistic missile arsenal: roughly 200 out of an estimated 3,000 missiles, with approximately 25 successful hits. ( alteast two of them hitting HVTs ).

If Iran were to use 100% of its missile arsenal and Israel maintains its current interception rate of 88%, that would result in about 360 successful hits. This would cause significant damage, but it’s unlikely to deter Israel from continuing the conflict.

However, if interception effectiveness declines over time — say, to 60% — then around 40% of the missiles would get through. That means 1,200 hits, which would be far more devastating.

Historically, Israeli security doctrine has tolerated short-term suffering in pursuit of long-term strategic dominance.

The calculus is the only they are interested in. It is the same calculus they have had since their inception. Death and destruction of all Muslims everywhere and subservience of every Muslim in every country everywhere to their will, and superiority and their absolute uncontested control.

In this case, it is the destruction of Iran such that Iran bends to their will the same way that all the other GCC Arabs do in subservience and loyalty to them.

 

[Persian Gulf]

he is in wrong place at wrong time thanks to khamenei which disqualified everyone else ....

he ran for president, didn't he? if he wanted to stay in a hospital no one made him leave

 

[Immortals]

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Natanz heavily damaged but no penetration to underground sites there yet

Fordow looks very under defended . No troop transport vehicles. No IFV or helicopters.

Doesn’t look like security has been beefed up for a surprise commando raid from Azerbaijan or Kurdistan.

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[PakAl]

Well this IS going to be Pakistan's fight whether we want it to be or not. We cannot close our eyes and bury our head in the sand.

This is not about Iran alone anymore, Can you believe what would happen if Pakistan gets surrounded by Pro-Israeli governments from 2 directions, India & Iran, while Afghanistan is already in India's nexus ? For all of Iran's issues, they are still a wall against Israel surrounding Pakistan. Pakistan needs to let go of all else and do anything it can to sustain the Iranian government.

It doesn't work like this. Before this war Pakistan Iran would have improved relations, both economic and military but for some reason it never worked. Iran is anti usa and gcc and we are friendly towards them so it didn't work out, we still maintained decent relations with Iran. Now Iran is under attack we cannot suddenly become buddies, Pakistan doesn't want to fight usa Israel or gcc, we have our own problems, the same way no muslim country will help us if we are next except Turks.

 

[Ali_Baba]

This is the same approach adopted by Ukraine against Russia.

Which country Is the common denominator here ? It is not Ukraine...

 

[Aggregate]

They don't have to completely Gaza-fy Iran, but they can absolutely make it an irrelevant backward country that can never be a threat, or even a US-Israeli puppet. It doesn't need to flatten Iran like Gaza. But if they keep carrying out airstrikes with impunity, they'll take out all the anti-Israeli people in Iran, completely destroy its economy, its military and its nuclear ambitions. And Iran's incompetence is helping them along.

We are all getting too hyped up coz of Social Media. This is not Iran's first cake ever. US Israel attacked Iran via Saddam Hussein for 8 years, every single day was many times more devastating for Iran during that time, what Israel is doing is nothing in comparison, . the world has sanctioned Iran to teeth for 35 years now, while simultaneously attacking it several times.

They have suffered far worse and they can absorb a lot more. If you start panicking at every single social media post then it will be very depressing for you indeed. Countries at times go into full strategic retreat and then come back after years to get a final win. Real wars don't work on live basis like this on Social Media. Yesterday Israel was shouting all day that Iran is done and by the night Netanyahu and Israelis we all hiding in bunkers trying to call Putin to ask Iran to stop. Iran just sent 250 Missiles yesterday. They have at least 8,000 to 16,000 Missiles if extrapolated from last knows estimates and can produce around 100 more per month. They can go a long way before they start using their actual cards.

 

[Sarhang]

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Not everything is a Mullah fantasy. This is not about Iran being an Islamic country but Iran being a deterrence against Israel. Pakistan cannot afford Iran to fall, neither an China. The fact that Iran thanked 4 countries including Pakistan yesterday, says it all. This IS our war now by all means.

Go to sleep buddy. It's so much Pakistan's war that we are not even fighting nor does the military have any plan to.

Limited strategic interests do not mean you emotionally jump head-first into a foreign war where you are totally outclassed then sit and cry afterwards when the writing was on the wall from the beginning.

Decisions taken by macho chest thumping with nothing to back it up is why IRI is in the position today.

 

[Immortals]

Israel believes Irans current ballistic missile arsenal is 2,000 remaining.

These estimates are worth nothing. They know nothing.

This is the same news that said Russia was going to run out of missiles 3 months into the war, then it became 6 month, and then defiantly in 1 year Russia will have no more CMs or BMs to fire.

I can’t believe people believe this horse shit. You think if Israel or U.S. knew the exact number they would let Iran know openly?

 

[Meengla]

Are you guys in your right mind? Russia is fighting the biggest proxy war the world has ever seen. 30 million country, which was the most industrialized part of the USSR is fighting against us with the pretty much full support of the Western intelligence, money and arms. We have thousands and thousands sanctions on us. And we are pretty much on our own. What do you expect and think Russia can do and give in this moment?
Go and ask the useless Chinese to do something once in their 5000 old civilization nonsense.

Agreed overall with your post about Russia's limitations but you didn't have to insult China to prove your point.
Fact is: India and Pakistan, very similar countries, are fighting Kashmir. Fact is that China and Taiwan, very similar countries, may go to war against each other. Fact is that Russia and Ukraine, very similar countries, are fighting a horrible war for years.
Who is behind those wars is not hard to guess: They are sitting in Washington DC sipping pina coladas and building mansions and buying luxury yachts. And they have been doing that for many decades.