Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Yasser76]

Well , at least I don't regre for being happy of Pakistan Air force performance against India ...

If Pakistan help us , we should give them Gas for ten years for free

Who knows. One thing is for sure, if Pak did help, it would never be made public

 

[Falcon29]

The problem with Iran is that they relied on ancient ballistic missiles and never considered modernizing its missiles or they were too arrogant to purchase anything else off the self. Even North Korea has better ballistic missiles then Iran. If they had hypersonic like DF17, Israel would have been cooked. Btw, if your air strips are targeted, even F22 would be sitting duck.

They were not arrogant. No one would provide them components. No one would sell them air defense systems or fighter jets. They tried to.

Israeli air strips are likely for show. In most situations their fighter jets are taking off from civilian disguised facilities and underground runways. Even if you hate those air bases, they just repair the roads quickly. They are using civilian installations for their military mobilization.

 

[Viet]

good to know
how to predict a war?
watch the pizza delivery and visitor frequency in the area of Pentagon
1h before Israeli airstrike on Iran, a spike in orders of pizza and a massive drop of visitors to the bars.

 

[ShapurII]

I would like to ask for showing them , but without proper task force , showing them will only risk mossad agent to carry rescue operation

It's still good for boosting morale.
At least they can show us the wreckage.

 

[Gabriel]

There is a lot of psyops. It’s most likely not as you think.

By the current damage assessment here, im not wrong, only a matter of time Israel will destroy remaining missiles n AD, then continue until what y saw in Syria happen again. Iran left with no military power

 

[That_Guy]

Third F-35 fighter jet downed in Iranian territory, two Israeli pilots now in custody ​

2025-06-14 15:31
TEHRAN – Iran's Army (Artesh) has reported the downing of a third Israeli F-35 fighter jet, likely by Iranian-made air defenses, according to a correspondent of national Iranian TV.

Again, no evidence has been presented.

 

[mulj]

How long can we sustain Israeli planes coming and going as they like and bombing our infrastructure?

Long if you disperse and relocate critical parts of industry and concentrate air defence on several key areas.
Russia is bombing ukraine for years yet they manage to maintain functionality but you need some assistance from outside and at least some limited space to deny free of charge air bombings, your geography and size should help with it. If you have human resource capable for war time organisation and management, it is doable.
In essence it is matter of will and determination.

 

[OldTwilight]

What Air Force? We didn’t have an airforce! When was the last time Iranian airforce did anything in past 10 years or 20 years?

This is what I tried to warn this damn board for decades. You cannot be a 1 trick pony and only rely on missiles for defenses. You cannot expect your air defense network to withstand hundreds of strikes and ECW and spies without collapsing.

You need air power!

You need supersonic stealth drones that can fly to Israel and drop bombs in a matter of a couple hours and come back!

Instead all funding went to speedboats, large intelligence ships, missiles, and more missiles.

Well guess what, when you can’t take your missiles out of the cave and you lost the skies, your screwed!

I don’t want to act like “I told you so”, but these guys running the show are a bunch of morons. Everything I am saying was obvious to any outside observer that took a pragmatic look at Iran’s defense doctrine

so , let's them to get burn , at least we wouldn't spend money on these useless airplanes ....

Those oldmen on top don't know the difference between 3rd gen fighters and 5rd gen fighters ...

 

[wangdefa]

Didn't Russia refuse to sell Iran modern fighter jets ?

So would China. To avoid US sanctions.

They are all in on this. Arabs included. Qatar/Saudi Arabia are playing the role of subdue your Muslim brother. Tell them you got their back and will mediate for them. Give them false hope.

That's why Saudi-Iran reapproachment happened. While Saudi media was still inciting against AoR and Hamas at full force.

This is racist Western colonialism going on. They're just doing it through Israel. Israel can't afford to wage such wars. All its weapons system are American or European and all their funding and munitions are coming from the US and Europe. They don't pay for it.

We likely gave Israel north of $500 billion in funds to keep economy afloat and weapons since late 2023. Maybe even close to one trillion. Whatever the US is providing for Israel is not being disclosed to the American public.

Sanctions What? Iran weapons sanctions were lifted five years ago. You just don't buy it
You won't look at the weapons sent to your door that year. You choose to give priority to cooperation with the West.

 

[PakFactor]

I dont think Mossad can do the same crap in pakistan they did in iran. Pakistan has ISI which would definitely find out and know

Right. I do think Pakistan has many moles within Pakistan since General Zia ul Haq made Pakistan a CIA Headquarter in the 80s to support the conflict against the Soviets in Afghanistan but that was a long time ago; much of that has been cleared up since then. Also, the harsh social policies in Iran has contributed to so many disgruntled traitorous Iranians in Iran. Pakistan is a haven of freedoms compared with Iran.

There are enough disgruntled people within Pakistan who will take up offers from external agencies, many of whom have been wronged or have had their families wronged. Therefore, I wouldn't say we're not as compromised as Iran; thus far, they've been able to surprise us in Lebanon and now in Iran. Remember, many can go years or decades without being activated until the time is right.

ISI, for what it is, hasn't been as effective; it has created an aura around itself, but it has fallen short in containing internal threats.

 

[Tomcats]

Exactly! If Iran went in front of UN and declared genocide and entered the war alongside Hezbollah then it would be a different place.

But iran backed down when threatened by U.S./Israel. Make no mistake Israel was caught off guard and worried that it was going to be fighting on 4 fronts (Lebanon, Gaza, Golan, Iran). Instead Nasrallah became a passive moron like he always was and Iran stayed pacified because it hates direct conflict.

A massive missed opportunity. And now Iran is alone 1 v 1 with Israel. No Solemani, No Nasrallah, no top IRGC commanders that formed the proxy project (they were killed in Syria last 10 years).

Like I said, if IRI collapses or implodes, I wouldn’t be surprised at this point.

This is the best description here on the situation if y'all really want to understand it from an Iranian himself. Iranian deterrence died with the methodical defanging of its proxies across the region over the past 2 years.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

 

[Ali_Baba]

that's not true. they cannot destroy our underground missile bases, they can just temporarily damage the entrance tunnels

we launched 5 waves of missile strikes yesterday from the same bases

Yep.

Israel seems to be a) focussing on destroying entrances which slow down launch rates, and b) destroying all the launchers it can find. Without launcher, those missiles are quite useless and this is an Achilles heel for ballistic missiles as a conventional capability.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

The Americans helped Iran acquire laser isotope enrichment in 1975. Iran was the 3rd country in the world to have that technology after the US and the Soviets. They sent us 93% enriched uranium for Tehran's research reactor. They sold Iran F-14s and even were about to deliver us two aircraft carriers had the revolution not happened.

The Americans are doing the same with the Saudis now.

If you remain under the US control, the Americans do not mind sharing technology with you. The important thing is to stay under their control.

If Iran becomes pro-Israel and defends Israel, 90% of their problem with Iran will vanish over night.

You're mixing stuff up... Iran was bulwark against Soviet expansion. No sooner than the collapse of Soviet Union would that policy flip on its head.
Pakistan was hit with pressler amendment while being an ally and fighting Soviets. You cannot have mass, people and land, resources and power to project militarily. Egypt is dependent on US largesse and in return bent the knee... Watches Gazans being destroyed. All the GCC Arabs are unstable regimes... who buy weapons for vanity and live under the thumb... they're the regional Satan's minions pushing it's agendas. Iran could have resources and mass but never military power! It would be destabilized incessantly.

 

[tower9]

Similar language was used with Pak v India and Chind did a lot. Do not underestimate Chinese diplomatic language, they do not mouth off like the US/israel

Chinese people communicate very subtlely but are serious in their actions. Unlike MOST OTHER COUNTRIES (Western countries, Middle Eastern, India etc who are loud mouths with no action behind it)

I think if Wang Yi, who is basically at the core of power in China, is telling Netanyahu to his face that China will defend Iran, then that means China is going to take serious action in doing that. Otherwise, you would have heard a mealy mouthed talk about "being concerned" like you got from Modi.

We'll see what happens. I think this means China will be supplying Iran with critical military supplies at the VERY LEAST.