StormBreaker
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That I know off course. I used to think it’s a mix of personal views + ISPR narrative launch
Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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You need to read about early Vedic religion and Persian parallels. Later day Zoroastrianism emerged from such ancient Persian beliefs. Both the early Vedic religion (of the Indo-Aryans in the Indian subcontinent) and the ancient Persian religion (practiced by Iranians like the Medes, Avestans, and later Zoroastrians) descend from a shared Proto-Indo-Iranian culture and language, around 2000–1500 BCE.
This means that:
- Their languages (Sanskrit and Avestan) are closely related.
- Many deities, rituals, and cosmological ideas are similar or parallel.
Till date the national epic of Iran is 'Shahnameh' which is all about the glory of Persia during its pre-Islamic days. The Shahnameh (or Shāhnāmeh, meaning "The Book of Kings") is considered the national epic of Iran, written by the Persian poet Ferdowsi around the year 1010 CE. It recounts the mythical and historical past of the Persian Empire from the creation of the world until the Islamic conquest of Persia in the 7th century. The work is composed of over 50,000 rhyming couplets, making it one of the longest epic poems written by a single author.
Shahnameh has:
- Pre-Islamic Focus: It glorifies pre-Islamic Persia, celebrating kings like Jamshid, Zahhak, Rostam, and Khosrow. This has made it a powerful symbol of Persian cultural identity
- Language: Ferdowsi wrote it in pure Persian, deliberately avoiding Arabic loanwords at a time when Arabic had become dominant in literature and official use after the Islamic conquest
- Cultural Revival: The Shahnameh played a critical role in preserving the Persian language and reviving Iranian culture under Islamic rule
- Themes: It blends mythology, heroism, morality, and patriotism. Its heroes, especially Rostam, are iconic in Persian literature
wangdefa
Registered Member
In fact, if I remember correctly, Pakistan only has four sets H9B, 6 sets of HQ16
Fatman17
Moderator
Trump is a wild card. He says something and does the complete opposite. USA had a old wound to revenge - USA embassy in Tehran 1979-80
abdulbarijan
Registered Member
-That is the hope, the Iranians have a stomach for war, that much is undeniable. Do the Israelis ? For years the threat was 5-10 rockets from Hamas or Hezbollah types and they could easily neutralize those and carry out their complete massacres without being challenged.
-With TP-1/2 Iran did end up sending the message that they have the capacity to strike Israel, in my opinion, it was the same as PAF going Op Swift Retort, but simply demonstrating the ability of hitting the enemy wasn't enough. It wasn't enough with Pakistan as we saw, India went back at it in 6 years after getting some new gadgets, and same with Israel after it got THAAD and went back at it with Iran.
- Pakistan made $h*t real for India, multiple aircraft losses, drone/missile strikes along with action on LOC. Turned out the average jingoistic Indian who wanted to destroy Pakistan, pre Op Sindoor did not have any stomach for war as soon as his house/business/relatives were under threat. While Pakistanis were literally sitting beside, mobile launchers and I mean lets not even get in to how risky that is considering the enemy might try and target the locations.
- It's Iran's turn to check the Israeli stomach for war, the same nation that has a collective victim mindset, the nation that would probably invoke the holocaust if it meant getting ahead in line at the urinal.
I'm just hoping that the Iranians know what they are doing, cuz most of the above ground infrastructure is damaged/lost. So, can they continue with these attacks is the question, since war is psychologically and emotionally exhausting for those that have a lot to loose.
Imagine the average Israeli citizen, every night where you can't help but close your eyes and there are sirens waking you up, you've gotta go to shelters for your own safety and once you get out, there is the possibility that the place you once called home has been turned in to rubble. Now I've no sympathies for you, considering how you got that home, but just explaining the human psychological trauma that these Israelis will have to go through every night, if Iran can mount up these attacks continuously. They (the everyday normal Israeli) has the most to loose in this, so will he/she want more war, or would want a de-escalation/cease fire?
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Developereo
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Iran should offer him prime real estate to build his golf course.
That might get him thinking, LOL.
Master Chief
Trusted Member
When USA joins, you think they will announce it as such?
They will simply call it "a continuation of the defensive perimeter around Israel", while engaging in war against a sovereign state. It will never be referred to as "joining Israel's military campaign". In fact what I am saying is probably already true. Tehran needs to be cunning.
Emirate you're our bro man
Sami_1
Registered Member
Regarding the position of the Arab countries, the Gulf states are financing the war against Iran. Two trillion dollars were transferred directly to America immediately after Trump's visit in exchange for striking Iran and Saudi Arabia's control over the Arab countries. Consequently, the entire Gulf is complicit with America. From the first hour, we knew full well that the war would involve the Gulf, because it is known that American military bases in the Gulf will be struck, and Gulf oil refineries will be hit. Egypt is against striking or liquidating Iran. America wants to destroy the countries of ancient civilizations before countries created by America and Britain control the Middle East. Jordan is an artificial state subordinate to Britain, and in the end, the people of the West Bank will be displaced to Jordan. Those who rule Jordan are by nature subservient to the West and traitors by nature. Iraq has no influence, but it will be part of the theater of operations. American bases in Iraq will be struck and will be a battlefield, because toppling the Iraqi regime caused these disasters. The same applies to those who rule Syria, an American creation. Hezbollah's current capacity is too weak to support.
Egypt will not join the war against Iran because it knows that Egypt is next. But we, as Egyptians, know that Israel and America will not emerge victorious from this war, but rather extremely exhausted. America will collapse internally.
Israel will exploit the war to destroy Iran's capabilities and divide it, but the price will be the Americans fleeing the Middle East after massive losses, with America itself disintegrating into small states like the Soviet Union.
Israel itself will not invest in it for three years; most Jews will flee.
It is in Egypt's interest that neither Israel nor the Gulf win, because the Gulf itself is an American creation and one of the tools of pressure against Egypt. They are allied with Israel and consider Egypt an obstacle to the ambitions of Israel and Saudi Arabia. Therefore, Egypt should not participate in this war at all. Rather, everyone should be left involved so that they all lose.
China will support Iran through Pakistan to exhaust the Americans and increase their losses. It is also in Russia's interest to increase the pace of clashes and war so that they can finish off what remains of Ukraine and subjugate Europe. However, Russia will not be able to support Iran militarily, but it is important not to overthrow Iran quickly.
India is an ally of Israel and considers itself an enemy of the Islamic world, but India itself, having become subservient to America, is now subservient to it. Israel has been besieged by the Chinese-Pakistani alliance, and the weakness of the European and American economies will also have an impact on India. China has already begun to punish India economically. When India manipulates Pakistan over the water issue, China also pressures it, because China is considered the source of India's water, from which it passes to Pakistan. Therefore, India will not be among the winners in any case. The same applies to the Gulf, because the Gulf's role is to pay the money and account for the losses. Iran has obtained whatever money it wants from the Gulf, and thus sells them. When its forces' losses in the Gulf increase, it will withdraw after the Gulf has suffered numerous blows from Iran and has engaged in a war that will bankrupt them economically. Europe, which has aligned itself with America, will suffer due to the rise in oil prices and its shortage in the event of the closure of the Strait of Hormuz. Its military support for Israel and America will make a Russian victory faster and Russian dominance inevitable. A war against Iran will affect everyone.
Egypt will not join the war against Iran because it knows that Egypt is next. But we, as Egyptians, know that Israel and America will not emerge victorious from this war, but rather extremely exhausted. America will collapse internally.
Israel will exploit the war to destroy Iran's capabilities and divide it, but the price will be the Americans fleeing the Middle East after massive losses, with America itself disintegrating into small states like the Soviet Union.
Israel itself will not invest in it for three years; most Jews will flee.
It is in Egypt's interest that neither Israel nor the Gulf win, because the Gulf itself is an American creation and one of the tools of pressure against Egypt. They are allied with Israel and consider Egypt an obstacle to the ambitions of Israel and Saudi Arabia. Therefore, Egypt should not participate in this war at all. Rather, everyone should be left involved so that they all lose.
China will support Iran through Pakistan to exhaust the Americans and increase their losses. It is also in Russia's interest to increase the pace of clashes and war so that they can finish off what remains of Ukraine and subjugate Europe. However, Russia will not be able to support Iran militarily, but it is important not to overthrow Iran quickly.
India is an ally of Israel and considers itself an enemy of the Islamic world, but India itself, having become subservient to America, is now subservient to it. Israel has been besieged by the Chinese-Pakistani alliance, and the weakness of the European and American economies will also have an impact on India. China has already begun to punish India economically. When India manipulates Pakistan over the water issue, China also pressures it, because China is considered the source of India's water, from which it passes to Pakistan. Therefore, India will not be among the winners in any case. The same applies to the Gulf, because the Gulf's role is to pay the money and account for the losses. Iran has obtained whatever money it wants from the Gulf, and thus sells them. When its forces' losses in the Gulf increase, it will withdraw after the Gulf has suffered numerous blows from Iran and has engaged in a war that will bankrupt them economically. Europe, which has aligned itself with America, will suffer due to the rise in oil prices and its shortage in the event of the closure of the Strait of Hormuz. Its military support for Israel and America will make a Russian victory faster and Russian dominance inevitable. A war against Iran will affect everyone.
Maira La
Trusted Member
Thanks for the history lesson but I don't think you understood my post.
The "Indians" (Hindis) that Iranians interacted with in pre-Islamic times were the ancestors of modern day Pakistanis, not the ancestors of modern day Indians.
The people who wrote the Vedas were also ancestors of modern day Pakistanis. The people we call Indians today (thanks to British) have just retained that culture, in a very altered/polluted form.
Also, talking about 'cultural linkage', the vast majority of modern Iranians, including both Islamists and seculars, cannot relate to the culture of an average Hindu from modern India's cow belt. Regardless of any link between Avestan and Vedas and whatever. That's just the modern reality.
Fatman17
Moderator
Deepening Crisis
AS hostilities between Iran and Israel continued for the second day on Saturday, following Tel Aviv’s provocative strikes against the Islamic Republic on Friday, many around the world worried about the diminishing chances of de-escalation.
While Israel had struck multiple sites and killed several senior Iranian military leaders and scientists on Friday, Tehran hit back, sending barrages of drones and missiles towards the Zionist state later in the day.
As the conflict grinds on, there are dangers it may expand, particularly if the US gets involved. Such a development would be devastating for the region, sending shockwaves across the globe.
Some media reports say that the US had shipped hundreds of missiles to Israel before the attack on Iran, while there are also indications that American forces helped shoot down Iranian missiles headed for Israel. Tehran has said it will hit American as well as British and French bases if these states defend Tel Aviv.
In the midst of conflict, President Donald Trump must be asked why he did not do more to stop Israel’s attack on Iran. Tel Aviv’s justification that it is waging ‘pre-emptive’ strikes to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear bomb rings hollow, coming from a state believed to have a clandestine nuclear programme itself, and which has violated the sovereignty of nearly all its neighbours.
Mr Trump had billed himself a ‘man of peace’, but in this instance he is standing by as Israeli warmongers, flush with American cash and arms, have embarked on a destructive adventure that can set the Middle East alight.
Even some of Mr Trump’s ardent supporters in the MAGA movement have criticised the Israeli war and potential American involvement. The US president’s calls for Tehran to resume dialogue on the nuclear issue are laughable, especially at a time when Iran is facing an onslaught from America’s key ally.
Similarly, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s appeals for Iranians to rise up against their government and seek ‘freedom’ are the stuff of black humour, as Israel has killed and injured numerous ordinary Iranians in the ongoing aggression. Mr Netanyahu, so concerned about Iranians’ freedom, clearly does not feel Palestinians are also entitled to life and liberty, as the Gaza genocide has shown.
With prospects for peace looking dim, the world, particularly Iran’s neighbours — including Pakistan and the Middle East states — must be prepared for prolonged geopolitical turbulence and economic tremors. The region is amongst the world’s trade and energy hubs, and if the conflict continues and intensifies, the global order will feel the heat.
Pakistan, as a neighbour of Iran, is particularly vulnerable, and the state must be ready for what lies ahead, while also making efforts to safely bring home Pakistani zaireen and visitors in Iran.
Published in Dawn, June 15th, 2025
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https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sha...awn.com/news/1917277&display=popup&ref=plugin
AS hostilities between Iran and Israel continued for the second day on Saturday, following Tel Aviv’s provocative strikes against the Islamic Republic on Friday, many around the world worried about the diminishing chances of de-escalation.
While Israel had struck multiple sites and killed several senior Iranian military leaders and scientists on Friday, Tehran hit back, sending barrages of drones and missiles towards the Zionist state later in the day.
As the conflict grinds on, there are dangers it may expand, particularly if the US gets involved. Such a development would be devastating for the region, sending shockwaves across the globe.
Some media reports say that the US had shipped hundreds of missiles to Israel before the attack on Iran, while there are also indications that American forces helped shoot down Iranian missiles headed for Israel. Tehran has said it will hit American as well as British and French bases if these states defend Tel Aviv.
In the midst of conflict, President Donald Trump must be asked why he did not do more to stop Israel’s attack on Iran. Tel Aviv’s justification that it is waging ‘pre-emptive’ strikes to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear bomb rings hollow, coming from a state believed to have a clandestine nuclear programme itself, and which has violated the sovereignty of nearly all its neighbours.
Mr Trump had billed himself a ‘man of peace’, but in this instance he is standing by as Israeli warmongers, flush with American cash and arms, have embarked on a destructive adventure that can set the Middle East alight.
Even some of Mr Trump’s ardent supporters in the MAGA movement have criticised the Israeli war and potential American involvement. The US president’s calls for Tehran to resume dialogue on the nuclear issue are laughable, especially at a time when Iran is facing an onslaught from America’s key ally.
Similarly, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s appeals for Iranians to rise up against their government and seek ‘freedom’ are the stuff of black humour, as Israel has killed and injured numerous ordinary Iranians in the ongoing aggression. Mr Netanyahu, so concerned about Iranians’ freedom, clearly does not feel Palestinians are also entitled to life and liberty, as the Gaza genocide has shown.
With prospects for peace looking dim, the world, particularly Iran’s neighbours — including Pakistan and the Middle East states — must be prepared for prolonged geopolitical turbulence and economic tremors. The region is amongst the world’s trade and energy hubs, and if the conflict continues and intensifies, the global order will feel the heat.
Pakistan, as a neighbour of Iran, is particularly vulnerable, and the state must be ready for what lies ahead, while also making efforts to safely bring home Pakistani zaireen and visitors in Iran.
Published in Dawn, June 15th, 2025
Newspaper
https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sha...awn.com/news/1917277&display=popup&ref=plugin
StormBreaker
Trusted Member
But what’s the reply for the Nuclear threat bro?
Yasser76
Elite Member
In terms of geography, population and infrastructure I imagine Iran can absorb much more of a pounding then Israel.
Iran should go for downtown Tel Aviv and the business/tech district. This is Israels PR and business heart. Hit them where it hurts. When Google and Amazon offices windows shatter that will be much more damage to their psyche and image then hitting a few oil depots
Iran should go for downtown Tel Aviv and the business/tech district. This is Israels PR and business heart. Hit them where it hurts. When Google and Amazon offices windows shatter that will be much more damage to their psyche and image then hitting a few oil depots
Fatman17
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Please no history lessons
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