Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[PakSword]

You sure? Normally in Islam a scholar can take back a fatwa aswell, fatwa is just a religious ruling depending on a given situation, at times situation can change and fatwa changes ie getting bombed by Israel hint hint Ayatullah sahib.

I don't know about Shia Islam.. A friend of mine told me that Ayatollah's fatawa carry some other importance. Maybe he was wrong. Not everyone knows his sect fully. Even I don't know many things when it comes to Shariah.

 

[Bharatah]

Attention, the GENERAL CHIEF OF THE AIR FORCES (BOMBINGS) OF 'Israel' was killed by Iran, the censorship created by Netanyahu tries to block and use old videos of him, but he disappeared more than 24 hours ago, Iran confirms that it killed him as it attacked MOSSAD centers:

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

I do not want to be off-topic, but everything ok in Pakistan? i have just a got personal message from somebody i know.

Sky are warm near the sea, required large party

defense activated, every body on guard

 

[BigMela2onin]

we still have armed forces and patriots among the people

250 killed civilians won't destroy us

Just convert to Judaism and they will let you genocide anyone you want

 

[ToddE]

Couldnt agree with you more regarding the possibilities of Iranian power today if they had nuclear weapons. I dont understand the Fatwa against it. When your sworn enemy has so much destructive power you chose to not have it. How come it goes against the Islamic teachings is beyond me.

Remove Ayatollahs from power and Iran will become a 3-4 trillion USD GDP bearing economy, with large industrial base and one of the largest STEM workforces in the world to run that system. Why would anyone wants that in the heart of ME/CA ? Ayatollahs make sure that does not happen so they are sitting in power for decades and decades because it suits Russia, West, and even China.

Soviets wanted Shah to go so they unleashed Marxists
West wanted Islamists to counter Soviets so they unleashed Mullahs
Result is IRI, Mullah run progressive society with socialist economy.

 

[Cicero]

 

[Distant_Observer]

When will Iran reach the point of needing to declare full mobilisation ? The whole logic that Trump is relying on, is that this can be "self contained". A full mobilisation now will send the message to the world that this will engulf the entire middle east. That is a valuable pressure point for Iran in the war of narratives that may cause the USA to back off ?

If during negotiations, the other side is killing your people. That is no longer a negotiation. Either fully mobilize or surrender.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Attention, the GENERAL CHIEF OF THE AIR FORCES (BOMBINGS) OF 'Israel' was killed by Iran, the censorship created by Netanyahu tries to block and use old videos of him, but he disappeared more than 24 hours ago, Iran confirms that it killed him as it attacked MOSSAD centers:

I already deleted this once

post it again and you get banned for 24 hours

 

[Sinan]

Nightmare for Türkiye and Pakistan (Baloch terrorists). The stage is already being set for the next destabilizations.

If that happens, (Iran falls in to apart with no state control) Turkey would immediately take control of Western Iran. To protect Azeri Turks and not allow PKK to establish itself. But i don't think it will come to that.

 

[CrniLabud]

I think we need to take a step back. Iran has been under comprehensive territorial sanctions for decades preventing it from imports, trade and alliances. Non-western nations did not want to ally or trade with Iran due to fear of secondary sanctions’ exposure. This is why Iran was isolated. This has been in the works to make Iran weak so a war such as today is easier. Same with Syria, and Saddam. The west’s collective bias, double standards and hatred for Muslim sovereignty has no limits.

What do you think comprehensive sanction would do to an economy such as Pakistan?

Or Turkey which is much more economically integrated with the west?

This is why the Muslims need an economic and political union such as the EU, their own currency and financial structures. This is the only way to fight back and remain sovereign. This is what israel and the US aipac establishment are working tirelessly to prevent.

 

[ToddE]

Another factor would be to not expose too many launchers until the threat of Mossad agents inside Iran with NLOS Spikes who hunt mobile launchers and SAMs is eliminated. Eliminating this threat would open up more freedom for the IRGC missile force to operate.

offcourse and the fact that Vance-Araghchi talks may start soon so IRI wants to portray itself as a nice boy in front of Trump/G7

 

[Mustang125]

There is a concept of taqlid of mujtahids (Ayatullahs) in Shia madhab. There are 3 marja e taqlid that shiites can follow and these are the major ones, Khamenei, Sistani and Bashir Hussain Najafi who is originally from Pakistan. One way to avoid a fatwa is to change your taqlid. Also fatwas can change in my opinion and should change depending on the dynamics involved. For example Pork and blood does become ‘halal’ at a point where your existence is threatened without it. Then again this is my limited understanding and I am not a scholar.

To clarify a fatwa given by an ayatollah is not divine ordinance the who basis is that, He would know more about scriptures and the. Comes up with his own understanding of issues so the people who follow that fatwa and if that fatwa is considered wrong on the day of judgement it is his accountability and sin because he intentionally or unintentionally misled people. So this Ayatullah position minus the memes is a very strict and stressful role to be in because your whole hereafter is on the line based on your words that people follow.

 

[hussain0216]

Hopefully full of things that will help fend off the USA. I do think the USN navy is the weak point that the Iranians shoudl focus on targetting. The optics of a loss of an Aircraft carrier is what can push trump back if this turns into a conflict. Trump will have a hard time managing those optics with his base.

So - I hope there are some serious ass anti-ship supersonic cruise missiles being delivered, one that the Iranians can test for the Chinese.

Well, that is what my mind says.

Iran should have a full quote of anti ship missiles and should have prepared for this for years

As soon as any conflict starts the straights of Hormuz will close automatically

And if Iran is attacked then Iran short range missiles will be used to target U.S bases in the region


Whilst U.S involvement look to be possible
Their is a outside chance it's all theater
And the U.S is just posturing to try and take the heat off Israel
The idea being if Iran feels threatened by the U.S it will (as it has) concentrate less on Israel and more about the possible war with the U.S
Thus giving Israel the 1-2 weeks or so to target iranian nuclear assets

The nuclear program won't be destroyed but may be set back

Then they can go back to "diplomacy" and talks and threats

 

[HAIDER]

Trump's thinking is shifting toward using US military to strike Iranian nuclear facilities, sources say​

From CNN's Alayna Treene, Kevin Liptak, Kaitlan Collins and Kylie Atwood

President Donald Trump is growing increasingly warm to using US military assets to strike Iranian nuclear facilities and souring on the idea of a diplomatic solution to end the escalating conflict, two officials familiar with the ongoing discussions tell CNN.

The new, more hawkish posture represents a significant shift in Trump’s thinking, though the sources said Trump remains open to a diplomatic solution — if Iran makes significant concessions.

Over the weekend and into Monday, discussions among Trump administration officials had continued to center on trying to find a diplomatic solution to serve as an off ramp, sources familiar with the talks said.

But Trump signaled early today his patience for diplomacy was wearing thin. “I’m not too much in the mood to negotiate with Iran,” he told reporters aboard Air Force One returning early from the Group of 7 summit in Canada. He added that his objective in Iran was “an end, a real end, not a ceasefire,” or “giving up entirely.”

That is the main reason, there were many expectations from Israel, but it badly failed from a country that is facing decades of embargo, no trade, assassination attempts, and no friends.

 

[ghazi52]

Iran warns citizens to stop using apps like WhatsApp and Telegram after Israeli "targeted assassinations"​

From CNN’s Mohammed Tawfeeq

The Iranian regime has warned people to stop using WhatsApp, Telegram, and other “location-based applications,” saying it’s one of Israel’s “main methods to identify and target individuals,” Iran’s state-run news agency IRIB reported, citing a security report today.

“Following the recent targeted assassinations,” by Israel, “including the assassination of scientists, reports indicate that (Israeli) regime uses mobile phone tracking to target people in Iran,” IRIB said.

The report said using these apps are “dangerous in these circumstances.”

The report also ordered people to switch off their mobile phones before changing locations. “People should refrain from taking their mobile phone to sensitive places,” the IRIB added.

The security report also advised the public, “especially employees of sensitive organizations, to use secure telecommunications lines and avoid using insecure software,” according to IRIB.