Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

You guys reckon we will see a nuclear test from IR soon? Has the supreme leader removed his fatwa of them being haram?

I don't think so

 

[Abid123]

I don't think so

Really disappointing it has not happened for the past 20 years considering IR literally has not to lose. All those crippling sanctions for the past 40 years for what? Supreme leader is to blame.

 

[OldTwilight]

Really disappointing it has not happened for the past 20 years considering IR literally has not to lose. All those crippling sanctions for the past 40 years for what? Supreme leader is to blame.

if IR going to test it , then it will wait till eu use snapback mechanism ...

 

[Jango007]

You guys reckon we will see a nuclear test from IR soon? Has the supreme leader removed his fatwa of them being haram?

No this idiot has thrown Iran under the bus....He needs to give full speed go ahead for a test...while they still have something left to test

 

[ShapurII]

if IR going to test it , then it will wait till eu use snapback mechanism ...

Why? What's the difference?
You do realize that the clock is ticking for us now, right?
What if they attack us again before the snapback mechanism?

 

[Qaraca]

I really don't want to get into the Azerbaijan-Armenia rivalry on a personal level.
I have nothing against the people of either country and I'm not going to take sides on the historical differences of each nation. I know that Armenians as an independent nation have existed before the Hellenic empire of Alexander the Great. They had the Kingdom of Armenia. But again, it's none of my business.

On a national level, let's say that Armenia currently serves and respects our national interests significantly more than the Republic of Azerbaijan who publicly makes statements on our national integrity and holds strong military ties with our archfoe (Israel) whose Prime Minister has said on numerous occasions that Iran has to be dissolved.

Both countries share extensive linguistic and genetic similarities with Iranians (even religious similarities with Azerbaijan) but Azerbaijan finds herself closer to Turkey than Iran for linguistic reasons and has alienated herself from Iran under Aliyev. Armenia, on the other hand, has no choice but maintain amicable relations with Iran and it's easier to trust them in this case.

There is zero continuity between those Armenian kingdoms and modern-day Armenia state, and Armenia exists as a result of direct actions of Russian Empire in 1800s. You claimed that Azerbaijan was a “fake country” because Russians conquered it from Qajars, yet that applies even more in case of Armenia. There were Azerbaijani Khanates, there was no Armenian political entity.

But this is nonsense talk, Azerbaijan gained independence 2 times, first in 1918 and second in 1991, both times from Russia. Iran is not even in the picture, if it was up to someone to say such a thing, it would have to be Russia, but that would also not be true.

Just fyi, Azerbaijanis do have genetic similarity with Anatolian Turks. Azerbaijani Turk are in fact closer to someone from Western Turkey than they are to someone from Gilak or Mazandaran or Baloch. They are between a Western Turk and Central Iran if you were to put it in some kind of genetic distance, but closest to South/Central Anatolia (after Qashqais). Combine this with linguistic similarity (most important) and I don’t see why Azerbaijani Turks should not feel close to Anatolian Turks.

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[ShapurII]

There is zero continuity between those Armenian kingdoms and modern-day Armenia state, and Armenia exists (even more so) as a result of direct actions of Russian Empire in 1800s. You claimed that Azerbaijan was a “fake country” because Russians conquered it from Qajars, yet that applies even more in case of Armenia. But this is nonsense talk, Azerbaijan gained independence 2 times, first in 1918 and second in 1991, both times from Russia. Iran is not even in the picture, if it was up to someone to say such a thing, it would have to be Russia, but that would also be not true.

Just fyi, Azerbaijanis do have genetic similarity with Anatolian Turks. Azerbaijani Turk are in fact closer to someone from Western Turkey than they are to someone from Gilak or Mazandaran or Baloch. They are between a Western Turk and Central Iran if you were to put it in some kind of genetic distance, but closest to South/Central Anatolia (after Qashqais). Combine this with linguistic similarity (most important) and I don’t see why Azerbaijani Turks should not feel close to Anatolian Turks.

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I know a person that will discuss this to the end of the world with you.

I hereby summon @Emirzad

 

[Qaraca]

I know a person that will discuss this to the end of the world with you.

I hereby summon @Emirzad

Discuss what? Azerbaijan gained independence from Russian Empire and Soviet Union, not Iran.

Azerbaijani Turks are in fact similar to Anatolian Turks genetically, and vice versa. But they also have similarity to certain Iranian groups, however, still closest to Qashqais and south-central Anatolia (west and central Iran comes after this, then followed by Western Turkey, and then North Caucasus in last place). This is because there was a huge settlement of Qizilbash tribes from Anatolia under Safavids.

Armenians are not genetically similar to neither Iranians, nor Azerbaijanis btw.

 

[Persian Gulf]

if IR going to test it , then it will wait till eu use snapback mechanism ...

for that Majlis will consider withdrawing from NPT for 2 months then wait 3 months for exit to be effective

 

[Persian Gulf]

Discuss what? Azerbaijan gained independence from Russian Empire and Soviet Union, not Iran.

Azerbaijani Turks are in fact similar to Anatolian Turks genetically, and vice versa. But they also have similarity to certain Iraniak groups, however, still closest to Qashqais and south-central Anatolia. This is because there was a huge settlement of Qizilbash tribes from Anatolia under Safavids.

Armenians are not genetically similar to neither Iranians, nor Azerbaijanis btw.

you were already thread banned once but your Turkish friends helped convince the team to let you back in

stop the off topic posts or none of your friends can help you next time

 

[ShapurII]

Discuss what? Azerbaijan gained independence from Russian Empire and Soviet Union, not Iran.

Azerbaijani Turks are in fact similar to Anatolian Turks genetically, and vice versa. But they also have similarity to certain Iraniak groups, however, still closest to Qashqais and south-central Anatolia. This is because there was a huge settlement of Qizilbash tribes from Anatolia under Safavids.

Armenians are not genetically similar to neither Iranians, nor Azerbaijanis btw.

He obviously disagrees with you and he's much better informed about the haplogroups of Azeri people than I am. @Emirzad is also an Azeri himself.

My favorite subject here is nuclear stuff. I enjoy the type of conversation I am having with @SABRE. I don't want to discuss haplogroups or genealogy.

 

[Qaraca]

He obviously disagrees with you and he's much better informed about the haplogroups of Azeri people than I am. @Emirzad is also an Azeri himself.

My favorite subject here is nuclear stuff. I enjoy the type of conversation I am having with @SABRE. I don't want to discuss haplogroups or genealogy.

There are results of people posted in groups called Turkishdna and Azerbaijandna groups, they are the largest data collected from various regions. It disproves the myth that Turks are close to Greeks, for example.

I’m not at all interested in it, I dig up because you brought it up. And if you read again, Azerbaijani Turks have similarity to both Anatolian Turks and certain Iranian groups. There are also regional variances.

 

[mangekyo]

Discuss what? Azerbaijan gained independence from Russian Empire and Soviet Union, not Iran.

Azerbaijani Turks are in fact similar to Anatolian Turks genetically, and vice versa. But they also have similarity to certain Iranian groups, however, still closest to Qashqais and south-central Anatolia (west and central Iran comes after this, then followed by Western Turkey, and then North Caucasus in last place). This is because there was a huge settlement of Qizilbash tribes from Anatolia under Safavids.

Armenians are not genetically similar to neither Iranians, nor Azerbaijanis btw.

What a bunch of nonsense. Azeris both in Iran and the weird country are genetically closer to Persians and even Kurds than to Anatolians. There are numerous studies conducted on this topic that proves this claim.

 

[ShapurII]

There are results of people posted in groups called Turkishdna and Azerbaijandna groups, they are the largest data collected from various regions. It disproves the myth that Turks are close to Greeks, for example.

I’m not at all interested in it, I dig up because you brought it up. And if you read again, Azerbaijani Turks have similarity to both Anatolian Turks and certain Iranian groups. There are also regional variances.

No, I didn't. I didn't bring up the genealogy of Azeri or Armenian people. I said both had linguistic and genetic similarities with us Iranians, which is hardly deniable. I didn't say they were closer to us than Anatolian Turks. You're fishing for trouble, constantly going off-topic, touching on sensitive topics on purpose.

But if you do wish to discuss the genealogy of Azeri people, @Emirzad is quite informed on the matter and I'm sure he will be more than happy to discuss this with you on a different thread to a great extent and very fine details. I, personally, am not here to discuss that and have literally no interest in this subject whatsoever.

 

[Qaraca]

What a bunch of nonsense. Azeris both in Iran and the weird country are genetically closer to Persians and even Kurds than to Anatolians. There are numerous studies conducted on this topic that proves this claim.

Studies from Iranian universities, with some Armenians thrown in for good measure. And also same studies who claim Anatolian Turks are close to Greeks?

There are lots of data from Turkishdna and Azerbaijandna, much more than the “studies” you refer to.

Did you look at the link I posted?