Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

mangekyo said:
Look, it’s not that simple. Hezbollah can’t just open a big front like you’re saying.

First, they’re politically cornered in Lebanon. Most people there don’t want another war with Israel. The country’s broke, people are furious about the destruction already, and there’s zero appetite for another war.

If Hezbollah drags Lebanon into a massive war against the will of the people, they’re risking their entire position. The idea that the Lebanese Army will disarm them because they’re quiet is wrong, it’s actually if they force Lebanon into war that everyone will turn on them and demand they give up their weapons. It’s all talks now, but if there’s a new war, they’ll make it happen.

And you’re ignoring the bigger regional plan here. The US, Turkey, Israel, and Arab states want to finish off all Iranian-backed groups in the region. There’s a real risk of Turkish backed Al-Qaida joining in against Hezbollah. Turkey controls those groups and they will send them to Lebanon under the cover of «protecting Sunnis»

So Hezbollah knows they’re stuck. Starting a big war means losing their arsenal, getting Lebanon flattened, losing support at home, and facing enemies on multiple fronts. That’s why they’re being cautious.
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Honestly them being cautious is against the logic.. What benefits does it do for them once they are disarmed by the lebanese gov´t and they join the gov´t as political entity? What benefit do they get from that? Absolutely nothing.

Turkey will not send Syria into Lebanon they have no interest there or what not nor will the Tripoli militants back stab Hezbollah they are allies for over 30+ years. If the war starts the war starts hence the problem is also why does Hezbollah care so much for Lebanon dude F´ Lebanon let it blow up which will benefit Hezbollah as The US, Sissi and GCC will be the losers as they have alot of economical assests inside Lebanon plus there are also Mashiy elements they will flee at the event of war.

It is very regretable that Lebanon goes untouched. I would even argue Hezbollah to come down hard in order to force Israel to come down hard as well.

The necessary goal is to create a meat-grinder in Lebanon and possibly a prolonged war a decade long it will automatically clean-up from the inside out
 
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Farhan23 said:
Honestly them being cautious is against the logic.. What benefits does it do for them once they are disarmed by the lebanese gov´t and they join the gov´t as political entity? What benefit do they get from that? Absolutely nothing.

Turkey will not send Syria into Lebanon they have no interest there or what not nor will the Tripoli militants back stab Hezbollah they are allies for over 30+ years. If the war starts the war starts hence the problem is also why does Hezbollah care so much for Lebanon dude F´ Lebanon let it blow up which will benefit Hezbollah as The US, Sissi and GCC will be the losers as they have alot of economical assests inside Lebanon plus there are also Mashiy elements they will flee at the event of war.

It is veryt regretable that Lebanon survives this war
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Bro, you really need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture here.

First of all, Turkey is NATO. They’re not some anti Israel resistance force. During the Gaza war, Turkey literally supplied Israel with 40% of its energy needs. Why? Because they wanted Hamas smashed.

Why were they so bent on toppling Assad in Syria? Because Assad was the key to Iran’s land corridor to Lebanon. Turkey backed Al-Qaida and other jihadists to block Iranian weapons flowing to Hezbollah. That served both Turkey’s and Israel’s interests perfectly.

And look at Azerbaijan, Turkeys vassal state. Azerbaijan literally hosts Israeli intelligence and military bases. Turkey and Israel have overlapping strategic goals even if they pretend to argue on TV.

So don’t kid yourself that Turkey wouldn’t want Hezbollah gone. They absolutely do. If a regional war breaks out, Al-Qaida will enter and we will see a bloody civil war in Lebanon and most likely the end of Hezbollah forever.

Why would Hezbollah care about Lebanon? Is that a serious question?

Because they are Lebanese, they live there. Their base, families, supporters are in Lebanon.

Why be cautious if they’ll get disarmed anyway?

Wrong. If they stay quiet, no one can disarm them. If they drag Lebanon into ruin, they lose local support and then there’s real pressure to disarm them to save the country.

US, GCC will lose their assets?

Yeah, and they’ll pay to rebuild, but only if Hezbollah is out of the picture. War doesn’t scare them, it gives them leverage to force Hezbollah to disarm in exchange for aid.
 
Israel lost the 12 Day War with Iran because it failed to achieve its objectives:

1) Israel FAILED to destroy the Iranian nuclear program - Iran still has 408kg of HEU and IR-6 centrifuges and the nuclear program itself was not destroyed but rather rolled back by only 2 to 6 months.

2) Israel FAILED to remove the threat of Iran developing nuclear weapons - since key components of the nuclear program are intact the threat of Iran developing nuclear weapons is NOT removed. Moreover, after this war Iran reduced relations with the IAEA and might accelerate its nuclear program.

3) Israel FAILED to degrade Iranian ballistic missiles program - contrary to Western propaganda, Iran succeeded in launching 550 missiles at Israel with hundreds of impacts. And Iranian underground missile bases and underground missile production facilities survived. During the war we saw ineffectiveness of David's Sling, Arrow-3, THAAD, PAC-3 and SM-3 with only 3-4 videos of these systems successfully intercepting Iranian missiles.

4) Israel FAILED to degrade the ability of Iranian military to retaliate against Israel - while Israel killed several key generals, they have been quickly replaced and Iran started its retaliation.

5) Israel FAILED to create internal crisis within the Iranian regime - Israel killed several key Iranian generals who were pillars of the system, but these generals were replaced by other loyal generals and Iranian system showed strong resilience. Moreover, this war united Iranian people with the Islamic government and discredited pro-Western opposition as enemy collaborators.

We can conclude that despite some tactical successes, Israel failed to achieve its objectives and ISRAEL LOST THE WAR.
 
Lulldapull said:
You buffoon, who is paying these afghani to kill our soldiers? Your daddy?

How do you wage war on a neighboring country without external funding? unless yous got super power protection?

Foolish karachi converted charsi, you just can't see it no?

@Waz @RescueRanger @Fatman17 .........iss ko ban karo yaar.........we can't have buffoons running around here anymore........
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The Pakistani bureaucracy is steeped in corruption. They steal from their own people, neighbours, friends, family and children when they carry out corruption. They have destroyed Pakistan from within in a much worse way than a few criminals planting bombs could ever do.

Pakistan/Afghanistan are central to USA's plans towards Iran.

During an open conflict against Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan could become land routes for supplies from Russia/China.

What happens in Iran is very much dependent on what happens in Pakistan/Afghanistan.

The Pakistani generals weren't born yesterday, and the current Afghan rulers are a grouping of people that has seen both the USSR and the USA up close and are not afraid of them at all.

The USA sped up the withdrawal from Afghanistan when their choppers began "crashing".

Iran is light years ahead of the the current govt of Afghanistan when it comes to long range missiles.

The Iranians felt helpless during the Iran-Iraq war because they had no response to Iraqi missile strikes. That memory of helplessness and humiliation sits deep inside the Iranian psyche. This time anyone who goes to war against Iran will lose an arm if not their head.
 
delta2 said:
The Pakistani bureaucracy is steeped in corruption. They steal from their own people, neighbours, friends, family and children when they carry out corruption. They have destroyed Pakistan from within in a much worse way than a few criminals planting bombs could ever do.

Pakistan/Afghanistan are central to USA's plans towards Iran.

During an open conflict against Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan could become land routes for supplies from Russia/China.

What happens in Iran is very much dependent on what happens in Pakistan/Afghanistan.

The Pakistani generals weren't born yesterday, and the current Afghan rulers are a grouping of people that has seen both the USSR and the USA up close and are not afraid of them at all.

The USA sped up the withdrawal from Afghanistan when their choppers began "crashing".

Iran is light years ahead of the the current govt of Afghanistan when it comes to long range missiles.

The Iranians felt helpless during the Iran-Iraq war because they had no response to Iraqi missile strikes. That memory of helplessness and humiliation sits deep inside the Iranian psyche. This time anyone who goes to war against Iran will lose an arm if not their head.
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I’m sorry, we don’t have any input on what happens in the ME. We are a separate region.

That Farhan-ulla convert with his 10 IDs here mumbles on with his pan-islamist reverie and it dirties up the Iranian forums.

I cannot entertain narratives on this thread that dont apply and are not relevant to the topic.
 
I have been seeing reports of random explosions in some parts of Iran what is it about?
 
GWXP said:
Israel lost the 12 Day War with Iran because it failed to achieve its objectives:

1) Israel FAILED to destroy the Iranian nuclear program - Iran still has 408kg of HEU and IR-6 centrifuges and the nuclear program itself was not destroyed but rather rolled back by only 2 to 6 months.

2) Israel FAILED to remove the threat of Iran developing nuclear weapons - since key components of the nuclear program are intact the threat of Iran developing nuclear weapons is NOT removed. Moreover, after this war Iran reduced relations with the IAEA and might accelerate its nuclear program.

3) Israel FAILED to degrade Iranian ballistic missiles program - contrary to Western propaganda, Iran succeeded in launching 550 missiles at Israel with hundreds of impacts. And Iranian underground missile bases and underground missile production facilities survived. During the war we saw ineffectiveness of David's Sling, Arrow-3, THAAD, PAC-3 and SM-3 with only 3-4 videos of these systems successfully intercepting Iranian missiles.

4) Israel FAILED to degrade the ability of Iranian military to retaliate against Israel - while Israel killed several key generals, they have been quickly replaced and Iran started its retaliation.

5) Israel FAILED to create internal crisis within the Iranian regime - Israel killed several key Iranian generals who were pillars of the system, but these generals were replaced by other loyal generals and Iranian system showed strong resilience. Moreover, this war united Iranian people with the Islamic government and discredited pro-Western opposition as enemy collaborators.

We can conclude that despite some tactical successes, Israel failed to achieve its objectives and ISRAEL LOST THE WAR.
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Brother you are seriously downplaying the Iranian losses
Their biggest loss is those scientists Khameni yesman (Military Officers) can be replaced scientists are not
My conclusion is this short war ended in atleast a partial Israeli victory
 
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muz said:
I have been seeing reports of random explosions in some parts of Iran what is it about?
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Iran Army warned previously people may hear explosion around country as they are destroying remains of explosives from the 12 day imposed war.
my guess is remnant of Zionist entity spy saw an opportunity to disturb the country and start some unrest

my understanding is they failed miserably again
 
Persian Gulf said:
no, I didn't say that, I asked you to tell me how he showed good leadership and how many times he spoke to the public during the 12 days
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The Iranian people voted for him......and that's it. Is he the best guy for the job? Hell no....but still better than Ahmadinejad or the other guy with a 4th grade education.
 
ShapurII said:
The huge number of bunker buster bombs that the US is giving to Israel means only one thing in my opinion:

In the next round, their main mission will be to assassinate the Supreme Leader.
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Then it's time to wipe out Dimona and send them tons of EMP and Cluster Warheads in retaliation!
 
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